Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Claire Cameron — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:36:02 GMT

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Some of the bottles of vetergesic we get sting, its strange cos we havnt had it stinging for a while then opened a new bottle yest and it was a stingy one

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I got told off the rep that it's the preservative in multidose vetergesic that is the stinger. Using vials I've never had a problem

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Caro Laithwaite VN — Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:22:28 GMT

Vetagesic only works if it goes im or iv or on cats it can go oral as well as they have a ph that allows absorption.

And beofre anyone yells.. that infomation comes direct from the alstoe

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Ann McAleer — Thu, 12 Aug 2010 19:50:06 GMT

I think if you inject fast no matter what your injecting it sort of shocks them, wondering what's going on I suppose, I inject everything slowly except those cats that don't like to be handled that often.

I have found that with the vetergesic as well putting it in the fridge apparently helps.

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Sally Seddon — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:29:48 GMT

Some of the bottles of vetergesic we get sting, its strange cos we havnt had it stinging for a while then opened a new bottle yest and it was a stingy one

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

SmegSlayer — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 14:22:46 GMT

Never had a problem with bottled vetergesic or the vials. We always give it s/c and the animals hardly notice. The ones that do are the ones that would notice any injection.

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Anonymous — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:57:48 GMT

someone told me vetergisic only stings from the large bottle if given s/c and that why app on the bottle it sayd not to be given s/c. i dont use the big viles so can not check this out.

and yes we keep cerinia in the fridge and i think it helps.

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Nick Shackleton — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:36:53 GMT

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I don't find that too much with vetergesic, the stuff from the bottle stings more than from the vial though.

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I believe that's due to the preservative in the bottled version

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Caro Laithwaite VN — Tue, 10 Aug 2010 08:24:14 GMT

If you keep cerina in the fridge it doesn't sting.

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

PHA86 — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 21:16:56 GMT

We've just started using the vials, works a treat!

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Wispa — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 20:48:44 GMT

cerenia is another stinger.

I don't find that too much with vetergesic, the stuff from the bottle stings more than from the vial though.

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Claire Cameron — Mon, 09 Aug 2010 11:23:37 GMT

[quote user="SmegSlayer"]

although not thick, cats hate ketamine. i always draw the ketamine into the syringe first then torb then domitor so that in theory its the last to go into the muscle. if the cat does spaz out with it at least the domitor is already in and the rest can be given when the cat has been a bit sedated

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I always draw up medetomidine and butorphanol together and then wait before giving ketamine from a different syringe.

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Heidi O'Toole — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 12:19:39 GMT

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If you tap the muscle with your forefinger while injecting 90% of the time they have no idea you have injected them.

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yeah, i do that. it really does work...either that or i poke them in another place on thier body and they get sidetracked.. bless...

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 11:24:17 GMT

If you tap the muscle with your forefinger while injecting 90% of the time they have no idea you have injected them.

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Caro Laithwaite VN — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 08:46:22 GMT

I do triples or ketamine or whatever ketamine is in very slowly and do not get the spatz that you mention. I think it works for all stingy drugs. Except possibly vetagesic mind you that l usually give iv or oral not much im.

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

SmegSlayer — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 08:41:45 GMT

[quote user="Nick Shackleton DipAVN(Surgical)VN MBVNA"]

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Even better give the medetomidine and butorphanol together and then wait 5 mins before giving ketamine from a separate syringe.

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I prefer this but some vets are too impatient to let you do it this way

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Nick Shackleton — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 06:19:04 GMT

[quote user="SmegSlayer"]

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Even better give the medetomidine and butorphanol together and then wait 5 mins before giving ketamine from a separate syringe.

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Polly P — Sun, 08 Aug 2010 00:17:04 GMT

Ah thats good to know, I have never really given much thought before to the order to draw them up in for the triple combination.

I had to give Synulox to a 12week old kitten last week, used the 21 gauge green needle (as otherwise simply couldn't get it drawn up and had to use another green needle to administer it for the same reason.)

The poor little soul shrieked at the needle going in and then at the synulox. Was horrible, I wish I had known to try it slowly before that.

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

SmegSlayer — Sat, 07 Aug 2010 23:04:30 GMT

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Vicky RVN — Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:46:58 GMT

TBH i don't find it easy to inject fast anyway being that it's so thick.

Re: Synulox, Noraclav and other 'stingers'

Steph Phillips — Sat, 07 Aug 2010 22:44:58 GMT

yeah I found this with Betamox LA.. some of the animals would flinch and whimper and like you said : [quote user="Polly SVN"]do it fast, get it over with[/quote] .. but slowly does help, not only that.. had no choice but to do it slowly as it's so thick lol..