winged iv catheters or not?

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Claire Cameron — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:43:09 GMT

[quote user="Kate Claxton DipAVN(Med)VN"]I do make my own micropore wings on normal catheters![/quote]

Snap!

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Kate Claxton DipAVN(Med)VN — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 12:26:15 GMT

Can I rock the boat and say I hate the plastic wings and think they must be more uncomfortable for the animal due to their hardness/rigidity, but I do make my own micropore wings on normal catheters! x

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Claire Cameron — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 08:35:05 GMT

[quote user="Kim Blowing RVN"]

They use winged catheters where I am locuming and I HATE them!!

Make things way more fiddly and they don't sit aswell on the animals leg.

Probably because I am not used to them but currently not impressed!

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Snap, we just got a some and I hate them too much prefer non-winged

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Kim Buckley — Thu, 26 Aug 2010 07:10:25 GMT

They use winged catheters where I am locuming and I HATE them!!

Make things way more fiddly and they don't sit aswell on the animals leg.

Probably because I am not used to them but currently not impressed!

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Vicky RVN — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 13:07:34 GMT

Red bull gives you...........................

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Phrin Vernon RVN — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 00:44:24 GMT

I WILL WIN - erm...... when I come back from camping!1

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Vicky RVN — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 00:37:02 GMT

Catheter facebook war is ON!!!!

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Phrin Vernon RVN — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 00:36:16 GMT

PLAIN!!!!

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Vicky RVN — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 00:19:24 GMT

Hehe!!!!

WINGED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Phrin Vernon RVN — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 00:17:00 GMT

*competitive even

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Phrin Vernon RVN — Mon, 02 Aug 2010 00:15:44 GMT

[quote user="Vicky SVN"]

Winged winged winged winged winged

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Damnit Vicky! You're my facebook friend and everything! Plain are the way to go!

Not that I'm in the least bit compitive! Honest!

Ooooh! Maybe we should start a poll? Anyone know how to do that?

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Vicky RVN — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:56:45 GMT

Winged winged winged winged winged

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Phrin Vernon RVN — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:50:14 GMT

So lets get back to it - winged catheters or plain?

'Catheter-gate' has been going on for a while at work, and we need a definitive answer from the VN forum

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Vicky RVN — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 23:45:34 GMT

[quote user="Kerry Haigh RVN A1 Cert SAN MBVNA"]

I like wings, they work on catheters and sanitary products HAHAHA

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Hahaha! I like wings too

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Phrin Vernon RVN — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:05:42 GMT

Mentioned this thread to the vet in the staff room - we all had a collective 'D'oh' moment, at not realising earlier that it was probably an artery!

Lesson well and truley learned for the future!

Thanks again for the discussion - if I didn't come on here I would still be telling people about the bunnys incredible BP years from now, and making myself look like a fool in the process!

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Phrin Vernon RVN — Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:08:51 GMT

I'll talk to the vet about it tomorrow, but thanks for your advice and reassurance guys!

Phrin xx

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:47:27 GMT

I had this today with a RTA, blew the bung clean off the end of the catheter... personally the dog was so bad, and BP so High, I think it was due to this personally. Bunnies get well stressed and i suppose it is likely that this could happen,so dont beat yourself up on it phrin......

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

sisterscope1 — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:39:51 GMT

Harm; unlikely unless you injected certain drugs into the line, no - besides which, we don't know - at this point it is conjecture.

If you haven't placed and art line before, how would you know? Placing an art line is a real skill; if it was (and we'll never know) well done!! There's enough collateral supply in a bunny ear that even if you did scew it up, it's unlikely that any harm would be done.

I wouldn't worry, you'll remember the next time you do it and that will make you a better nurse in the long run.

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Phrin Vernon RVN — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:34:42 GMT

*sad face*

Sisterscope - what you have said makes perfecr sense - I inadvertantly placed an IA - OMG!

I feel awful now, and hope wee bunny is OK

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Phrin Vernon RVN — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:29:03 GMT

Its a very intersting case sisterscope!

If I had inadvertantadly placed an IA cathether (Under MRCVS's direct and personal supervision) could that have done bunny harm?

Damnit! Despite having finished my L3 training (just waiting on exams) I am now feeling poo and incompetant - If that was the case sisterscope, why didn't I recognise it? BAD nurse

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

sisterscope1 — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:20:43 GMT

Remember veins and arteries lay side-by-side. The fact you could see the pulsatile flow in the T-connector makes me wonder. I've placed plenty of art lines, so I know what you mean by watching it in the line. Would make an interesting case for discussion?

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Phrin Vernon RVN — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:12:33 GMT

Hey Sisterscope

No, I don't think it was placed in an artey, as I've placed a good few bunny IVs before without this phenomenon.

As an SVN I will ask the VS what he thinks of that tomorrow - guess its always a possibility - eek!

And no, the blood was no redder than expected...

Main thing is tho, heat plus metoclop plus fluids = good recovery for bunny!

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:06:31 GMT

Right, I confess I have not read all the thread but I am gonna comment.... the winged ones are far superior in a crashed patient... ie no BP whatsoever... and leave the others in the shade in this dept! so you need both whatever your preference, get some winged ones for the RTA, NO BP patient

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

sisterscope1 — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:01:38 GMT

...umm could you have placed it in an artery?

You'd use catheters in bunny ears to measure direct blood pressure measurement, very visible and easily placed in larger specimens.

Was the blood any redder than you'd normally expect??

Re: winged iv catheters or not?

Phrin Vernon RVN — Wed, 28 Jul 2010 22:52:36 GMT

Talking of IV caths, we had a bunny cast in today whose BP clean 'popped' the bung off the catheter! (Was aiming for a slowly infused IV bolus of fluids rather than sc)

Placed the catheter no probs, bung on - popped off - oh i didnt place it properly - replaced twice until I finally asked vet student to hold it in place

Attached a T connector, plus 20mls warmed saline - OMG this bunnies pulse was visible down the T connector - gradual pulsing against the 20mls fluid - never seen anything like it!

Bunny recovered VERY quickly and was attempting to eat his vet bed by the time we discharged him..

But OMG - never seen a patients BP 'pop off' an IV bung before!

What could that mean for the patient? Anything?