Receptionist giving injections

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Gillian Mostyn — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:58:59 GMT

[quote user="Saskia Paula Quinn"]The majority of practices see the animal and never, under any circumstances, give medications for owners to administer via injection [/quote]

So how do you treat DM then?

Hehehehe - sorry - being pedantic.

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Arlo Guthrie — Wed, 14 Jul 2010 12:12:52 GMT

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"]and dont know about anybody else but I am not too thrilled to hear that comments on here are being passed around on another forum by one of our members how ever well meaning ( I appreciate it was a pm but some of us still remember the MRSA forum)

I am also concerned that opinions may be passed back and taken as 'law' when the reality is that they are nothing more than personal opinion[/quote]

MRSA - nearly gave me a heart attack

Not a criticism, Zigzag, but I do agree that one needs to be wary of passing comments on from this forum to another.

I also agree strongly with Sal about the danger of taking an opinion as fact. Better to use this kind of site to find out what you think may be the correct answer, and then verify it yourself elsewhere (in this case, with the RCVS).

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Sal the 1st — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 22:29:45 GMT

http://www.petzone.ie/acatalog/Some_of_Pete_s_Answers.html

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Saskia Quinn — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:56:37 GMT

Cheers Sal

Well, other parts of Ireland, sadly, are likely to be a whole new ball game

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Sal the 1st — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:54:13 GMT

thats good to hear but unfortunately I wasnt referring to Northern Ireland, and my ex client wasnt getting them from a vet practice but was buying them from a pharmacy

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Saskia Quinn — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:51:48 GMT

Can I stand up for the Irish here please? As an Irish person and working as a VN in Northern Ireland I would like to clarify that it is only a small percentage of practices who give vaccines out to clients!

The majority of practices see the animal and never, under any circumstances, give medications for owners to administer via injection

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Sal the 1st — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:48:53 GMT

I am not condemning you for that I know you only wanted to help- but be a bit careful you would be surprised how the he said she said routine can turn into one unholy mess on some of the forums

Re: Receptionist giving injections

zigzag01 — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:40:19 GMT

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"]

the whole thing sounds dodgy to me - and without more facts its difficult to know exactly what is going on?

Dont know if it is still possible but I know 1 of my past clients used to go across to Ireland to buy her vaccines for cats and dogs over the counter - wasnt breaking any laws it was perfectly legal

and dont know about anybody else but I am not too thrilled to hear that comments on here are being passed around on another forum by one of our members how ever well meaning ( I appreciate it was a pm but some of us still remember the MRSA forum)

I am also concerned that opinions may be passed back and taken as 'law' when the reality is that they are nothing more than personal opinion

[/quote]

She's in Ireland so I think that probably explains it.

I didn't pass on a whole comment, just a brief summary. I only wanted to make sure that the right thing was being done for the dog and wasn't aware it was such a problem, people pass on views face to face.

It just didn't sound right to me so I wanted to check and thought the best way was to show the views of others.

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Steph Phillips — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:18:00 GMT

[quote user="Lynn Perry"]

[quote user="*Steph *"]

[quote user="Tracy Windler RVN"]I've always signed vaccination certificates, as long as I am sure that the vaccine has been given and I "pp" with the initials of the vet that administered it.[/quote]

Stupid question, but what does 'pp' mean?? only asking as I've seen it on some vaccine cards before I never knew why! lol

[/quote]

Comes from latin but stands for 'per procurationem' basically it means 'on behalf of'

[/quote]

ahh thank you for that

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Lynn Perry — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:09:23 GMT

[quote user="*Steph *"]

[quote user="Tracy Windler RVN"]I've always signed vaccination certificates, as long as I am sure that the vaccine has been given and I "pp" with the initials of the vet that administered it.[/quote]

Stupid question, but what does 'pp' mean?? only asking as I've seen it on some vaccine cards before I never knew why! lol

[/quote]

Comes from latin but stands for 'per procurationem' basically it means 'on behalf of'

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Nicola Smith — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:36:04 GMT

We have had a lot of cases where breeders have been sold vaccines by their vet and they give them themselves. I know it happens but esp in large animla type prcatices where vets out a lot. It is wrong as who knows if the breeder has actually given it let alone properly. We have a neighnouring LApractice who give out poms without seeing pets regularly!! Makes us very angry but nothing seems to be done even though the powers that be know this goes on!

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Sal the 1st — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 20:09:31 GMT

the whole thing sounds dodgy to me - and without more facts its difficult to know exactly what is going on?

Dont know if it is still possible but I know 1 of my past clients used to go across to Ireland to buy her vaccines for cats and dogs over the counter - wasnt breaking any laws it was perfectly legal

I am also concerned that opinions may be passed back and taken as 'law' when the reality is that they are nothing more than personal opinion

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Steph Phillips — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:17:27 GMT

[quote user="Tracy Windler RVN"]I've always signed vaccination certificates, as long as I am sure that the vaccine has been given and I "pp" with the initials of the vet that administered it.[/quote]

Stupid question, but what does 'pp' mean?? only asking as I've seen it on some vaccine cards before I never knew why! lol

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 19:02:48 GMT

VN's can sign vaccination cards... as long as it says card, but they cannot sign it if it says certificate. Dont ask me why I have not got a clue.

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Tracy Windler RVN — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 18:09:24 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]It is also perfectly legal for VNs to administer any vaccine, 1st or 2nd, as long as they have been directed to do so by a vet. They just can't sign a vaccination certificate. Obviously most good practices would have a vet check the animal first though....[/quote]

I've always signed vaccination certificates, as long as I am sure that the vaccine has been given and I "pp" with the initials of the vet that administered it. I use my RVN at the end, to clarify that I am not a vet.

Its this sort of thing that is very undefined in Veterinary medicine, I feel, but as vaccines are a pom, that means only Vets, VN's and the animal's owner/ member of their household can administer it.

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:12:12 GMT

[quote user="Fuzzyduck"]

you cant buy vaccinations legally and give them yourself!! They are POMs and should always be accompanied by a health check!!!

This practice needs reporting

[/quote]

Not strictly true. Like any POM, they can be purchased (with a prescription from a vet) for administration by the owner. A health check is something vet practices offer as a 'good practice'. Farmers buy vaccines constantly for administration by themselves.

It is also perfectly legal for VNs to administer any vaccine, 1st or 2nd, as long as they have been directed to do so by a vet. They just can't sign a vaccination certificate. Obviously most good practices would have a vet check the animal first though....

Who exactly are you thinking this practice should be reported to then, on the basis of some ranting by a disgruntled client on an internet forum???

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Fuzzyduck — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:48:14 GMT

you cant buy vaccinations legally and give them yourself!! They are POMs and should always be accompanied by a health check!!!

This practice needs reporting

Re: Receptionist giving injections

zigzag01 — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:41:08 GMT

I've sent a private message to the person that left the post asking for more information and telling her what has been said on here. I don't know whether she'll reply or not but I hope so as this worries me! She has put another post on saying:

"She's not a vet nurse. So she really shouldn't be vaccinating other people's animals.

You can buy vaccinations yourself and give them yourself, but I don't trust someone I don't know to do it properly. I know how to do it myself, so it's fine, I always vaccinate my adults animals, but like new ones to be examined by a vet. The puppy has been to the vet twice before I got her, so it's not a huge deal, but it upset me because I want her to go again to make sure everything's fine. I'll take her in two weeks though. "

Re: Receptionist giving injections

Fuzzyduck — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:33:11 GMT

Either way nurses cant give first vaccinations to puppies and vets cant give vaccines to clients to just give at home! Im pretty sure thats illegal. Sounds like a dodgy as practice.

What kind of practice doesnt know when there will be a vet in? and has to call a client back when theyve found out!! Dodgy

Re: Receptionist giving injections

sophie mcmurrough — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:32:45 GMT

Even if this was a nurse not a receptionist, this is still illegal, some nurses are ok to give second vaccs but not the 1st ones. they can be dangerous if a full health check is not performed + illnesses are not picked up. You should think about reporting this practice to the RCVS. Vets/VN's are here to help animals not just dish out drugs/vaccines which could potentially make an animal very ill or possibly kill it.

This is really bad!

Re: Receptionist giving injections

emmRAR — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 16:20:08 GMT

Are they sure it was a receptionist and not a nurse? Where I work we don't have a receptionist as we're a little branch so the nurses man the phones.