Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Vicky RVN — Sun, 29 Aug 2010 13:50:32 GMT

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Good start for Vetclick! Whilst they're at it, they can also remind the practice in Southampton that keeps advertising for a VN or a foreign vet awaiting MRCVS registration! Didn't realise we were one and the same

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Which practice is this? I work in Southampton and would be quite interested to know. I can make a good guess!

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Hmmmm i'm in Soton too...would like to know!

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Polly P — Fri, 09 Jul 2010 17:29:39 GMT

Got to be honest, I rad the part about doing blood tests as running the tests, not taking the blood.

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

JaneRVN — Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:52:45 GMT

I mentioned the Southampton ad too, and he agreed it was madness. However it is down to the practice being disorganised and not knowing what they want, so not prof conduct issue. . . however he admitted another grey area.

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

JaneRVN — Fri, 09 Jul 2010 15:50:38 GMT

Hi all,

Word back from RCVS. Because of the ambiguous wording of "do blood tests" this could mean simply running blood samples, not taking them. The 6m thing for GA's is a bit thin ice, as the RCVS SQP is not set in any time frame.

Therefore Professional Conduct are very pleased to be told about these things and to provide advice to anyone writing adverts, but cannot act on this advert.

The chap was really nice, and said that if the title Veterinary Nurse was protected it would be alot easier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Go Nick!

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Honeybadger — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 18:59:36 GMT

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Which practice is this? I work in Southampton and would be quite interested to know. I can make a good guess!

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

JaneRVN — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:05:17 GMT

I haven't seen that one Maisy.

Legally those awaiting exams/MRCVS accreditation are legally not allowed to do anything other than what a care assistant can do! Another illegal ad!

Get the ad details and email them! We may start a new standard in what you can advertise for, and educate the veterinary world at the same time!

info@vetclick.com

and my reply was from

Graeme Viljoen

graeme@vetclick.com

I would also include RCVS Professional conduct and BVNA to see if we can get the ball rolling

profcon@rcvs.org.uk

bvna@bvna.org.uk

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Maisy — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:34:25 GMT

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

JaneRVN — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 14:16:24 GMT

Vetclick have replied to me today. They just wanted to confirm what I thought was inappropriate and let me know they will be contacting the practice to alter the advert.

I mentioned that after the Vet Times article where only 10% of vets knew what an RVN could do maybe they could offer guidelines/links to VSA to try and educate those placing adverts.

Vetclick have replied that they will look at ways to better inform practices before they place adverts. Just RCVS and BVNA to go!

To quote John Malkovic in Dangerous Liasons - "Education is never a waste"

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Rachel Jayne — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:50:04 GMT

I can't believe someone thought that was an acceptable way to word an advert....

Aside from anything else, I think it kinda degrades the job of a VN also, like its making out that they're the only skilled things we do!

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Sal the 1st — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:22:11 GMT

receptionist or nurse?

http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/blogs/jobs/archive/2010/06/25/receptionist-172530-hyde-park-veterinary-centre.aspx

http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/blogs/jobs/archive/2010/06/19/receptionist-143549-broad-lane-vets.aspx

sole charge but not necessarily qualified

http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/blogs/jobs/archive/2010/06/16/experienced-or-qualified-nurse-required-171850-best-friends-veterinary-group.aspx

http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/blogs/jobs/archive/2010/06/16/qualified-or-experienced-nurse-required-171144-best-friends-veterinary-group.aspx

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Sal the 1st — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:11:34 GMT

well so far you are winning

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

JaneRVN — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 22:04:10 GMT

These guys have tightened up their act, but still, there is NO SUCH THING as a trainee VN, you are either an SVN registered with the RCVS or you are a care assistant. An NVQ3 nurse should not be allowed to apply to be a sole charge night nurse, they cannot do schedule 3 by themselves, or with another "trainee".

http://www.medivet.co.uk/Employment_Details.asp?id=2

Do I win????

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Sal the 1st — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:54:02 GMT

nope you not exempt lets just see how many more we can find

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Nick Shackleton — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:51:37 GMT

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Thanks Nick, signed your petition ages ago! Well done on starting it.

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Cheers Jane got closed around Gen election! When I was at RCVS day on friday did some networking so may have some stuff in the pipeline

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

JaneRVN — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:49:41 GMT

Thanks Nick, signed your petition ages ago! Well done on starting it.

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

JaneRVN — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:47:14 GMT

After an article in the VBJ a couple of years ago print ads (VN and Vet Times) are much better.

The article was by HR professionals and they were disgusted that VN jobs were advertised with mentioning chocolate biscuits, but no hours/salary/place of work/responsibilities etc which are expected as the norm in job ads. Vet ads didn't get off much more lightly, and I think a few people woke up to how much they were paying in these publications and got better. . .

However the web is a dark, dank, cheaper place breeding many things. . . I think if we all accept your challenge we could all find 1 illegal (qual or experienced) type advert this month and several more trainee/qual/sole charge type ones.

Sal, am I exempt as I have posted mine?

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Nick Shackleton — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:42:26 GMT

I totally agree with you Jane!

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Sal the 1st — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 21:33:31 GMT

just as an exercise lets see how many dodgy ads we can find say for the last couple of months ?

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

JaneRVN — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 20:25:58 GMT

I KNOW!

No offense to Steph, and other unq's but the law is the law and advertising for 6m experienced people to take bloods is ridiculous. Most can't even handle a cat well enough by then (well, some can) but allegedly I am a tough nurse to please and scare some people (got told this yesterday!). . . but the animal gets good care, and staff get well trained and appreciated.

Hope to use this to stipulate the updated VSA means EVERY practice must employ an RVN. . . then better pay will arrive, and better training and support for the other roles in practices.

Steph, can I ask why you aren't qualified? You can PM me if you prefer.

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Fuzzyduck — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:48:58 GMT

and this is preciseley the reason why wages for VNs will never increase because practices can and do employ unqualified untrained staff to do the job of a VN!!!.

Makes me so angry

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Honeybadger — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:27:31 GMT

Just incase anyone wants it, just click to make it bigger then right click to save the file.

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Steph Phillips — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 17:17:17 GMT

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Thanks Beth! I used to be able to do it, but can't remember the Fkey!

Mrs mac, I am scared too, especially the BT's and anaesthesia, but thanks to RCVS wording any "suitably qualified person" can monitor a GA, so can't get them legally in that front, but surely even the RCVS would admit 6m in practice is not "suitably qualified" for GA's.

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I would of thought a 'Suitably qualified person' would be someone thats been in practice a number of years.. like 2 years plus?? I'm not qualified, and I've been working in practice for nealry 10 years now.. so maybe that advert applies to people like me?? although, 6m is a joke.. there is no way someone working 6m in the veterinary field would be confident in monitoring a GA & do bloods.. let alone allowed too..

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Emma Purnell — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:38:56 GMT

Its no problem, these adverts make me just as angry!

If you decide to relocate you know where I am, we are seriously struggling to find someone up here at the moment!

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

JaneRVN — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:37:18 GMT

Thanks Emma, on both counts!

I am London based so a bit of a commute, but apparently I am over qualified for everything here!!!!!!!!!!

Re: Can ads like these be made illegal, please??

Emma Purnell — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:34:41 GMT

Jane - mine is a screen grab, just saved into Word.

PM me your email address and I will send it over to you

P.S. We are looking for an RVN or 2nd year student at our practice in the Midlands if you were looking for a post like that...