vets who lose it

Re: vets who lose it

Sal the 1st — Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:36:43 GMT

[quote user="Selena (Hypnorm) Carnell VN MBVNA"]

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"] guess the lesson is .... if you dont want something repeated with your name on best not to say it in the first place or at least be prepared for it to come back and bite you on the bum![/quote]

But thats the point of a private section... joe public won;t be able to see what you are writing unless they Specifically log in and join vet nurse.co.uk - top up to the required number of posts to gain entry to a private section.

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I'm sorry just dont see the need for a private section but I respect your opinion - seems a bit elitist to me. Correct me if I am wrong but what you are suggesting could be done as a private conversation with like minded people without creating multiple tiers within a site.

Have seen private sections on other forums and have seen the trouble they can cause where somebody feels they are better than somebody else just because they have access to a private section and somebody else doesnt. It can get very messy and unpleasant and can result in a 'queen bee' character who gathers all their little supporters around them and then dominates the whole forum stifling any opinion that doesnt fall in with theirs. The private section can then become an area for people to moan about other people behind their backs who are not privy to the section and it just gets very nasty ( I dont participate in any private areas now because of this - and it has happened in every single group where private areas have been allowed in groups I have been a member of - groups which are comprised of 'professional' members I might add)

I would hate for that to happen here I think it is important to discuss things in the open rather than driving them underground - but it is also important to discuss them in a way that is constructive and it doesnt just turn into a moaning session or a whole list of horror stories.

Totally respect your opinion even if I cant agree with it and hope this explains my stance a bit better

Re: vets who lose it

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:18:41 GMT

[quote user="Selena (Hypnorm) Carnell VN MBVNA"]

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What about the people who dont come on that often, or are first time posters though? the majority who do have something they want to get off their chests tend to be ones who are not regular.

Re: vets who lose it

louise170388 — Tue, 27 Apr 2010 09:10:10 GMT

I used to work witha vet who was terrible for losing it. . He would shout and swear, throw things and get very red in the face! It was abit intimidating, so all the nurse complained to our head nurse who passed it on to the head vet who had a word with him. You should speak out even if its not to the vet in question. . Its not fair for you to have to work with someone like that

Re: vets who lose it

Selena Carnell — Tue, 27 Apr 2010 07:18:18 GMT

Re: vets who lose it

Sal the 1st — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:01:37 GMT

yup - just tried it and it does show the first part of a post but not all, as well as listing other topics you have posted on.

guess the lesson is .... if you dont want something repeated with your name on best not to say it in the first place or at least be prepared for it to come back and bite you on the bum!

Re: vets who lose it

Mrs Dot Dot — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:00:55 GMT

I've just googled Mrs Dot Dot and all my posts have come up.... not sure if anyone can see them.... it is logged in to me when I go there...............it's wierd tp see all your comments from ages ago!

Re: vets who lose it

Polly P — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:45:13 GMT

[quote]I'd like to be clear here that non members can see subject titles of posts, but not the content. So your all your father could see would be a list in google of the titles of the recent forum posts you have contributed to, not what you said.[/quote]

Arlo, thats not correct! Google showed the content of my posts (but not anyone elses in the same thread) I saw it on his computer myself, one that I have never ever logged into this site from! If you click the link it tells you you have to be a member and log in, but on the google search page itslef the post shows.

Log out, goole somethinbg you know you will find here and try it!

Re: vets who lose it

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 19:24:45 GMT

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"]

agree with this - leave out the horror stories and keep the discussion constructive rather than destructive

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Re: vets who lose it

Steph Phillips — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 18:48:00 GMT

- what sal said..

Re: vets who lose it

Sal the 1st — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:49:23 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

I think this thread should continue, but should not refer to specific cases (even anonymously), as it might misleadingly suggest the problem is bigger than it is (same way as if I read about a murder in the newspaper, I think it's everywhere).

Perhaps more valuable anyway to be discussing the issues (ie what makes some people behave like this), and the possible solutions.

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agree with this - leave out the horror stories and keep the discussion constructive rather than destructive

Re: vets who lose it

Sal the 1st — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:44:47 GMT

I wouldnt be in favour of a private section - as already mentioned there would still be no gaurantee that it was private and I feel that there would be a big risk it would create factions within the forum that could lead to some massive fallouts a bit like playground gangs - I just dont feel it would be useful.

It is possible to have your own little private groups anyway where people are invited into a group conversation - its already been done. That way subjects can be discussed without becoming public on the forum.

Again I dont condone the behaviour under discussion and I dont think it should be covered up. I just think that people need to be careful about what they are saying and how it may be viewed by people outside the veterinary world especially if it identifies a practice - it then isnt just the offender that is indentified but all those they work with.

Re: vets who lose it

Selena Carnell — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:09:51 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]I am opposed to the idea of creating separate areas for high post members, as I think it is divisive. I'm open to being persuaded, but that's my view at the moment.[/quote]

On other forums that i am a member of (be it parenting) their private sections have been activley used, by new and old members. More of a safehaven for them to post knowing that not just anyone can log in and read their posts. away from family, friends, exe;s etc trouble makers... ok there will be the odd one that gets through, but they are swept away pretty quickly as people get the general idea.

Re: vets who lose it

Arlo Guthrie — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:33:26 GMT

[quote user="Polly Player SVN"] is indeed easy to find this board and read it, non registered members cannot see the board in the wasy that we do, but I spoke to my Father recently to find out that he had googled my name (as you do!) and pages and pages of this very forum came up on google, showing my input on every single thread I have posted on... Anyone else can do the same![/quote]

I'd like to be clear here that non members can see subject titles of posts, but not the content. So your all your father could see would be a list in google of the titles of the recent forum posts you have contributed to, not what you said.

However, this site is open to members of the profession and its suppliers (which includes members of the public).

I am opposed to the idea of creating separate areas for high post members, as I think it is divisive. I'm open to being persuaded, but that's my view at the moment.

Perhaps more valuable anyway to be discussing the issues (ie what makes some people behave like this), and the possible solutions.

Re: vets who lose it

Selena Carnell — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:21:09 GMT

point being though that they would need a minumum number of posts before they even entered the section, i'e being an active member tof the forum. Most people who want to cause trouble will not want to go to the hassle pf having to top up say 50 posts just to get in to one area.

The posts would not come up on google, unlike mentioned above by her dad reading her posts.

Things like this can't just be deleted because someone from practice might see it, in which case all the bullying threads should be removed too....In some cases this forum is a life line to some people who think there is no help available and it would be sad to make people feel that they can't post safely somewhere.

ok if someone REALLY wants to cause hassle they will but have to go through alot to get there.

Re: vets who lose it

Vicky RVN — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:59:16 GMT

The trouble with having a private area is (as someone has pointed out to me before), Joe Bloggs could log on and call themselves a nurse. As could happen on the vet surg forum, Joe Bloggs could call themselves a vet. Then they could see anything they wanted. I don't see how it could be kept totally private? Yes qualified vets/vns could have their names checked against the relevant registers, but who's to say they've not just picked a name off the list?!

Re: vets who lose it

Polly P — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 00:01:28 GMT

I have only been in practice for a month now but feel very lucky to have met loads of great vets and have seen nothing of this sort.

I totally understand that it can be hard to raise your head above the parapet when your job could be on the line over it or you find it hard to speak up, but I feel that in that situation my (or 'yours' or 'anyones') first and main reponsibility is not loyalty to the vet, protection of the practice, or even protection of the self, ie my/your job, but protection of the animal.

I could not stand by and watch a member of the public abuse an animal in any way, and have waded in when I have seen cruelty by the public more than once before, and violence or assault of an animal by a vet. nurse or other person entrusted with the care of an animal is 100% worse.

We are supposed to be their protectors, their voices, their carers and their defenders, and not only have we chosen to pursue a career doing just that but we are, in this capacity, paid to do that (among the million other things we do!)

I wonder though if anyone can advise logistically what a person witnessing abuse of that kind can do though?

I work for a large company so the course to follow would be clear.

What if ther person comitting the offence is your boss and there is no one above them to talk to?

It has been mentioned about contacting the RCVS but what do they/ can they actually do?

Surely with no proof of an assault, and only one complainant (as would often be the case I think, either due to only one person witnessing their behaviour or other people involved not being willing to speak up for fear of reprisal) the RCVS has it's hands tied in terms of what they can actually do, and any investigation or action on their part would likely leave the complainant in a very precarious position with their job?

And also if they did indeed lose their role over speaking up about something of this kind, is it not then even worse that the practice is back to having some wildcard anger monger in charge of animals, unchecked and with no one left there to act on any inappropriate behaviour?

Finally as mentioned, private areas of the forum for known people would, I think, be a sterling idea.

The Veterinary Surgons board has more private forums than non, and rightly so due to the nature of the job and the subjects that come up for discussion.

We as nurses share a lot of the same issues, and if we are indeed professionals working in 'a profession' in it's own right (that of veterinary nursing) as we feel that we are, and are fighting to have acknowledged with the protection of the title etc, should we not have areas free from public eyes to discuss relevant and sensitive issues such as these without people's jobs being risked due to the dual burden of transparency of membership (real names) plus a publicly searchable forum?

It is indeed easy to find this board and read it, non registered members cannot see the board in the wasy that we do, but I spoke to my Father recently to find out that he had googled my name (as you do!) and pages and pages of this very forum came up on google, showing my input on every single thread I have posted on... Anyone else can do the same!

Re: vets who lose it

Rachel Jayne — Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:10:58 GMT

[quote user="Bizzy McClure"]

A vet I worked with once smacked a dogs head onto the ground when it would not sit still for a premed. I was so shocked I just got up and walked away in silence. I wish I had said something now. The dog was absolutely terrified. I told the deputy head nurse about it and she said 'ah yeah shes done that before'.

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I've seen this happen before too

Re: vets who lose it

Rachel Jayne — Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:08:31 GMT

At my first place you could always tell how well an op with the boss was going by the severity of his language! (and he would laugh about it too, so it wasn't too bad!)

Re: vets who lose it

Mac Feather — Sun, 25 Apr 2010 10:43:54 GMT

[quote user="*Steph *"]"you can't get rid of your temper by loosing it"[/quote]

I must remember that one.

Re: vets who lose it

Steph Phillips — Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:31:20 GMT

[quote user="Selena Carnell"]We knew when he did dentals to stay well clear, in the end it became funny when he began to steam and retractors would fly around, someone would poke their heads in and say..'not going well then'.... which would kind of diffuse the situation[/quote]

Thats EXACTLY what we do with our vet when he gets stressed . lol.. I give him the old saying from that film (can't remember what film) "you can't get rid of your temper by loosing it" - he just gives me daggers and storms off then later apologises ..

Re: vets who lose it

Mrs Dot Dot — Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:01:46 GMT

[quote user="Selena Carnell"]

Could Arlo not make a section that you have to regiser to get into and is completely private?

i know on a couple of forums i am with they have a private section, that only certain members can get in to and IS NOT accessible to the public or any search engines.

Then it might help people who are having problems and who dont want to be 'found' etc.

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That's a great idea... don't know whether it's possible... you should contact Arlo...... I strongly agree that it is a subject that shouldn't be hidden/ deleted but I also think that we should think very carefully about what is posted on here..... much as I love this site, it's can be a hive of info in the wrong hands

Re: vets who lose it

Selena Carnell — Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:40:19 GMT

Could Arlo not make a section that you have to regiser to get into and is completely private?

i know on a couple of forums i am with they have a private section, that only certain members can get in to and IS NOT accessible to the public or any search engines.

Then it might help people who are having problems and who dont want to be 'found' etc.

Re: vets who lose it

Selena Carnell — Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:21:52 GMT

I thought this was for Vet Nurses and Surgeons only?

I don't know anything about the forum being plastered over other forums I'm afraid.

I still don't think the topic should be deleted.

Re: vets who lose it

Mac Feather — Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:18:53 GMT

[quote user="Sandra Taylor RVN"]

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"]

maybe not - but it can be hard to get a job afterwards, from experience.

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I agree and please guys watch what you say on the open forum...

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I agree on both counts.

Re: vets who lose it

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:21:47 GMT

[quote user="Selena Carnell"]

Why? No vets names have been mentioned or practices.

If people aren't able to discuss this, then its the sort of thing that gets swept under the carpet, and becomes taboo like in house bullying.

Unfortunatley it happens, i have worked with a couple of vets who would lose their temper, one walked out mid spay because he was having troubles, his anger was in no way directed at me, it was to him self out of frustration, he was newly qualified and still learning, but for the younger nurses it was scary.

A different vet would lose his temper with animals and throw them around, he would get complained about in appraisals. He once went to hit a dog went it wouldnt sit still for an IV, missed and hit my hand, so i told him bluntly that it was me that he hit and he walked off, he did appologise later. Thing is he was a lovely bloke .. just wasnt patient with himself or animals, couldnt fault him in anyother way.

We knew when he did dentals to stay well clear, in the end it became funny when he began to steam and retractors would fly around, someone would poke their heads in and say..'not going well then'.... which would kind of diffuse the situation.

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Because last year we had posts from this site plastered all over another forum!