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 I have tears in my eyes I feel physically sickened 
 &amp;quot; In cruel experiments, fully conscious dogs have been vivisected</description><dc:language>en-US</dc:language><generator>Telligent Community 10</generator><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77387?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 14:07:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:21cc66df-266d-484e-9b6f-74baa03cd96a</guid><dc:creator>Maisy</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Sal  (sal the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;last comment made on that thread also applies to this - lighten up a little. Enjoy life, dont dwell on the stuff you can do bugger all about!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not trying to downplay the bad stuff I am just saying this is becoming very depressing&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77384?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 13:42:04 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:91b52337-9269-4e46-8a39-9a447c3b857e</guid><dc:creator>Sal the 1st</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/forums/p/7893/77380.aspx#77380"&gt;http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/forums/p/7893/77380.aspx#77380&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;last comment made on that thread also applies to this - lighten up a little. Enjoy life, dont dwell on the stuff you can do bugger all about!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not trying to downplay the bad stuff I am just saying this is becoming very depressing&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77224?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 23:52:45 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:10966dde-1fe7-406f-9331-d3d5d03d981f</guid><dc:creator>loopylou711</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;StephB&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Katie Hunting&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I read the first few sentences and couldnt read any more, why post things like that? I realise that things like this go on and theres always sad things that go on but that is so upsetting.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Because like it or not animal testing and research is the building blocks of veterinary and human medicine. Yes, we have alternative methods these days and try to do our best to keep the abuse to a minimum. But many important break through science was formed from those sorts of experiments. To be serious about veterinary medicine or any science for that matter there is always going to be the good, the bad and the ugly. It&amp;#39;s hard to read but it&amp;#39;s enlightening and strengthening for your soul and future. :) Many people are clueless to what happens behind closed doors and feel if it&amp;#39;s out of site it&amp;#39;s out of mind... I really don&amp;#39;t agree with that. We should be like sponges! take all the info we can in so we can make educated discussions, decisions and directions. But it ain&amp;#39;t all pretty!&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Agree,&amp;nbsp; But my problem with animal experimenting is the fact is where does it end? Do we have super humans and nobody ever dies? I read and watch and take in as much as i can in regards to animal expermenting, food industry etc.&amp;nbsp; It&amp;#39;s important people know as much as they can as you say Steph.&amp;nbsp; People turn away and sometime wont evn listen to the truth of it all, people i feel should face the reality rather than ignoring it! Just my opinion!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That story still makes me feel sick tho!!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77220?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 23:46:21 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:76e6cdab-5700-45e0-9183-e9176adbf83b</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Katie Hunting&amp;quot;]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I read the first few sentences and couldnt read any more, why post things like that? I realise that things like this go on and theres always sad things that go on but that is so upsetting.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Because like it or not animal testing and research is the building blocks of veterinary and human medicine. Yes, we have alternative methods these days and try to do our best to keep the abuse to a minimum. But many important break through science was formed from those sorts of experiments. To be serious about veterinary medicine or any science for that matter there is always going to be the good, the bad and the ugly. It&amp;#39;s hard to read but it&amp;#39;s enlightening and strengthening for your soul and future. :) Many people are clueless to what happens behind closed doors and feel if it&amp;#39;s out of site it&amp;#39;s out of mind... I really don&amp;#39;t agree with that. We should be like sponges! take all the info we can in so we can make educated discussions, decisions and directions. But it ain&amp;#39;t all pretty!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77218?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 23:33:05 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:7d8e33e7-f46c-4ac9-813e-33d7490b1e5d</guid><dc:creator>Steph Phillips</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;niknoks&amp;quot;]
&lt;p&gt;Dont forget though back in the &amp;#39;old days&amp;#39; they did used to do all kinds of horrible experiments on people without anaesthesia, i remember learning about it at school, it was grim, they used to cut peoples skulls off and fiddle around in their&amp;nbsp; brains to see what it did &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Sick_smiley.png" alt="Ick!" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77084?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 09:29:09 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:13f68231-3977-4984-9d26-c043b0bdbfe3</guid><dc:creator>Nikki Graef</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Dont forget though back in the &amp;#39;old days&amp;#39; they did used to do all kinds of horrible experiments on people without anaesthesia, i remember learning about it at school, it was grim, they used to cut peoples skulls off and fiddle around in their&amp;nbsp; brains to see what it did &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77078?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 08:32:52 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:6978b053-0271-4acb-a927-1921cfc108eb</guid><dc:creator>Steph Phillips</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;...........................&lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Crying_smiley.gif" alt="Crying" /&gt;........ I&amp;#39;m speachless, really wish I hadn&amp;#39;t read that... can&amp;#39;t believe the acts of some &amp;#39;humans&amp;#39; .. would love to see how they&amp;#39;d like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ohhh my gooood.. now I&amp;#39;m mad!!!!!!!!!!! &lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/devil.png" alt="Devil" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77075?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 07:26:16 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:1640d9e4-cad5-46db-b449-1657fbce53a2</guid><dc:creator>Katie Drew</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry Claire think I was trying to say what Loopyloo said. Just was abit shocking. Poor little creatures.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77069?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 00:42:17 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:d0bcc56a-8907-4eb3-9f9a-61e750c3042e</guid><dc:creator>loopylou711</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;it was interesting claire but would have love a warning on how bad it was! Made me cry!! So so horrible!! Saying that i cry at so many things its unreal!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77066?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 00:34:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:6db51251-381a-40cc-abdd-c7fa80715266</guid><dc:creator>Ruaraidh _</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Worth noting that it&amp;#39;s no longer performed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;From the sounds of it, that&amp;#39;s from when scientists did some pretty rough experiments to see how things worked.&lt;br /&gt;Like finding out how a bat navigates in the dark. They poked eyes with red-hot needles so they couldn&amp;#39;t see, stuck (I think with glue) their mouth closed and finally deafened them (i can&amp;#39;t remember how). Thus, eventually, finding out how it navigated.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77038?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:44:18 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:d2f0be70-76b0-4fcb-9b8c-92629cec663b</guid><dc:creator>Claire  Cameron</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;[quote user=&amp;quot;Katie Hunting&amp;quot;]why post things like that?[/quote]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I posted it because it&amp;#39;s disgraceful. I thought I would share the research with others.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77028?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:01:42 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:81487654-6842-4c27-89ae-bd7530b934e7</guid><dc:creator>paula morgan</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I really wish I hadnt read that either, that is just so awful &lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Sad_smiley.png" alt="Sad" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/77015?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:53:07 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:b1f0c5dd-14c4-46bf-8a59-7521d7e17947</guid><dc:creator>Katie Drew</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I read the first few sentences and couldnt read any more, why post things like that? I realise that things like this go on and theres always sad things that go on but that is so upsetting.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/76997?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:39:56 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:a53c5920-7a8c-44a6-8ce1-c1814794e8db</guid><dc:creator>littlehays</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Sad_smiley.png" alt="Sad" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/76994?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 17:23:15 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:797722a8-fff5-4f8c-929f-1bf7ea575196</guid><dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;It&amp;#39;s nothing to do with loyalty though. it&amp;#39;s how their brain interprets the action and response. sad :( &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/76989?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 16:46:51 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:745ec2c4-bc0a-460e-864b-19e428f0edf7</guid><dc:creator>Sarah Nicholas</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;i seriously wish i hadn&amp;#39;t read that &lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Sad_smiley.png" alt="Sad" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/76983?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:08:56 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:a702fe47-6b72-48f7-ae06-13afb40f04a3</guid><dc:creator>tinydancer</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;Eww oh&amp;nbsp;my god that is awful!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/76978?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 14:56:11 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:ac129219-0e92-4262-8066-524a24a15161</guid><dc:creator>emma sime</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;I agree - thats horrible!! How anyone could ever think its ok to do that is beyond me!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/76951?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 11:23:13 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:265a1140-4697-4976-bd2b-03fd88878ade</guid><dc:creator>loopylou711</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;omg that is horrible claire!!! &lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Sad_smiley.png" alt="Sad" /&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Sad_smiley.png" alt="Sad" /&gt;&lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Sad_smiley.png" alt="Sad" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item><item><title>Re: Dog loyalty - I feel sick</title><link>https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/thread/76938?ContentTypeID=1</link><pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 09:38:26 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">1a0763ec-3885-442c-853e-6cef656dfec5:3350267c-fb27-4924-a0d1-b25fa847217f</guid><dc:creator>Vicky RVN</dc:creator><description>&lt;p&gt;OMG that really is sickening....urgh poor poor creatures &lt;img src="http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/emoticons/new/Crying_smiley.gif" alt="Crying" /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div style="clear:both;"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description></item></channel></rss>