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Selena Carnell — Tue, 30 Mar 2010 07:51:39 GMT

I would have been in deep trouble if i had emailed to say i was sick, you always ring 1st thing in the morning. So i can understand why you were given a warning.

Do you have written contract of employment? if not they are breaking the law in the respect too.

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S C — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:41:41 GMT

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xXx Cat xXx — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:42:50 GMT

Could it be possible that as your boss replied via email they have accepted that as a reasonable form of communication?

Least with email u can get a read reciept ect text messaging is completely inapropriate as it does not always get through even when it says it has.

Was there a reason u could not phone them?

Either way as you were not briefed regarding the procedure for informing them of your sickness and therefore tried to make contact, the fact they were not there would have lead to the same thing happening and cover not being arranged till later in the day. (assuming no one else has authority to arrange this)

xXx

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Sal the 1st — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:33:32 GMT

would agree that email is not appropriate, - a verbal warning is usually (not always) one of the lowest categories of recordable warnings. Advice would be to make sure you get a handbook and give it a good read so you dont fall foul of anything else

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Anonymous — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:16:02 GMT

[quote user="S C"]

I have just found out I have received a verbal warning which will be on my record for 12 months! I had to call in sick today and yesterday for the first time since I have been there. I sent an email before 7am yesterday morning and again at 11am today (as I wasn't due in until 1pm). My manager replied by email at 12.45 that she had only just received it and that it says in my staff handbook that I must telephone before 8am on the morning I am not coming in. I have never been given a staff handbook in the 8 months I have been there! I used to absolutely LOVE this job until January when the bully started on me again. Unfortunately it has turned into A COMPLETE NIGHTMARE. I have been at work for 25 years and have never been in trouble at work or had a warning of any kind.

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you sent an email to 'call' in sick... erm did i miss something? You say you've been in work for 25 yrs... um surely if you are going to speak to someone as soon as possible to let them know you are unwell then you need to speak to someone, not email them and hope they read it before you actually have to be in. That's just common sense. text message is pushing it but email is just taking the piss really. Sorry i think your management has every right to give you a verbal warning for that with or with out a hand book. It's just a given courtesy when you work somewhere... sorry you're not well but that just wouldn't cut it with me!

While I agree they went about it in an odd manner they still have every right to be a little ticked off and feel uninformed of the matter. Replying back with a 'verbal' warning is a bit contradictory though isn't it! lol

surely a VERBAL warning is verbal, not written! haha

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Saskia Quinn — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 21:07:09 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

Isn't it standard in ANY job that if you are ill, you have to ring as soon as possible to let your boss know? I'm afraid in this instance, sending an email was inappropriate.

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while I agree with you there Gillian, surely that doesnt warrant a verbal warning? What would you do if faced with same?

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Gillian Mostyn — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:59:06 GMT

Isn't it standard in ANY job that if you are ill, you have to ring as soon as possible to let your boss know? I'm afraid in this instance, sending an email was inappropriate.

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Saskia Quinn — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 19:32:08 GMT

I am sorry to hear that, and I am also sorry for my previous reply. Obviously you are in a terrible situation, and reading what I just have, I think you are definitely better off out of there, its not doing your health any good and they are being really unfair issuing you with a warning in such a way.

Definitely follow the adviced of contacting acas. I wouldnt let this drop, esp as you have had never been off sick with the company up until now.

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S C — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:31:06 GMT

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xXx Cat xXx — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 18:16:58 GMT

Its is my opinion that the verbal warning would not stand up in tribunal as the Company are in breech of contract due to them not giving you the hand book.

Contact ACAS for more help.

Were u present when the verbal warning was issued?

ACAS can and will help if you go to them and follow up the rest of the advise given.

I have been in a similar situation working for a married couple who own the business its not good as u feel there is no-one to turn to and I ended up being constructively dismissed.

Please feel free to PM me if I can be of further help.

xXx

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Maisy — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:56:34 GMT

Oh dear Sounds like there are number of things wrong with your place at the moment. It really would help to put this into writing what you have mentioned, and speak to your line manager (including about the sickness issue) and then above their head if they won't listen. Then if you do leave, which if nothing gets done and you continue to be stressed about work will probably be the best thing for you, they are aware and have on record documented problems.

I hope all works out okay for you.

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S C — Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:07:48 GMT

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Sammyannieantha — Sat, 27 Mar 2010 20:08:39 GMT

Oh my good god i was so shocked when i read this post, you must get out of there as soon as possible please please please. That is not acceptable at all and a vet should be putting animals to sleep not a flamming assistant who thinks shes the next best thing since sliced bread. Even an RVN is not allowed to do this or self diagnose. Does she realise that what shes done is inhumane? I would notify the RCVS as someone must be held responsible for this. Please get out of there you can do so so much better and uv already address that whats being done is totally unacceptable. I wish you all the luck in the world at getting out of there. X

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Sal the 1st — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:32:53 GMT

[quote user="Paula Quinn"]

Its an absolute *swear word* disgrace - excuse my language. How *swear word* dare someone decide on their own merits than an animal needs euthanased?

While I appreciate your wish to remain anon - You must realise that this kind of behaviour quite simply is out of order.

While I appreciate the comments for you to find somewhere else to work - thats all fine in terms of your job satisfaction and well being - but who is left behind to treat those who are suffering - and indeed, by what you have said - to actually cause that suffering??

If I were you - I would stand my ground and stay there to MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO THE ANIMALS THAT COME IN TO YOUR CARE

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I appreciate the feeling behind your post Paula

but this person already sounds pretty unhappy (from this and previous thread) - from what has been posted it doesnt seem that this place will ever be different whilst they are there. At least if they leave the job , find another and report the place something may be done to change things without this persons life being made more miserable than it already is.(its a lot easier to take action and make that report when you are not in the thick of it and worried how it will affect your own future) Its commendable to want to stay and make a difference to the animal welfare but this will not address personal welfare issues - and we all know how important they are. Whatever the decision I hope things work out for the poster and the wildlife in the vicinity of this place.

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S C — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:28:51 GMT

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Phrin Vernon RVN — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:22:51 GMT

[quote user="Paula Quinn"]

Its an absolute *swear word* disgrace - excuse my language. How *swear word* dare someone decide on their own merits than an animal needs euthanased?

While I appreciate your wish to remain anon - You must realise that this kind of behaviour quite simply is out of order.

If I were you - I would stand my ground and stay there to MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO THE ANIMALS THAT COME IN TO YOUR CARE

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I agree wholeheartedly Paula!

But we should remember this a new, junior member of staff, posting anon on here.

Maybe a few well worded PM's, and an anon call to the RSPCA/RCVS etc would be in order?

I am not volunteering - sorry - I am incredibly tactless and would probably make things worse!

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Saskia Quinn — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 22:17:16 GMT

Its an absolute *swear word* disgrace - excuse my language. How *swear word* dare someone decide on their own merits than an animal needs euthanased?

While I appreciate your wish to remain anon - You must realise that this kind of behaviour quite simply is out of order.

If I were you - I would stand my ground and stay there to MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO THE ANIMALS THAT COME IN TO YOUR CARE

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paula morgan — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 19:45:41 GMT

I agree to be honest, I could NOT stand by and watch this happen!! You need to report this straight away, I for one would be raging mad if I was a supporter of this charity and knew how it was run, its shocking!!

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A Little TLC — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:03:45 GMT

[quote user="*Steph *"]

[quote user="Caro Laithwaite VN MBVNA"]

Lets us just dismiss a rather large misconception of yours Sue a very simple test. Ask her how a body system works.

Being a vet is more than "working with ...." it is having an understanding about how everything works within it's self. The species information is all out there to narrow it down but you need a proper grounding to understand it. The woman in question has no base to build her knowledge on. Yes if used correctly it could well compliment what the vet knows but on it's own what she knows is actually going to cause pain and suffering because she will be misusing her knowledge.

Just because it is wildlife is no less a reason for her to be stopped than if it was a dog or cat. Would you allow her to treat your dog or cat no, why, simple she does not have the base that a vet has to build on and she will be causing pain and suffering.As she has with the badger and to quote you how many animals were not dead when placed in the freezer, came around and then froze slowly to death feeling death literally freezing their bones.

So basically you have a choice you can report vet and the woman to rcvs and advise you report to Veterinary Medicines Directorate for misuse of POM-V medicines. And the charities commission to investigate the breaking of the law and also check accounts.

You can walk away and allow cruelty to continue and not say anything just get a new job.

You can stay there and watch cruelty continue.

You know the score enough people have told you including the senior vice president of the rcvs what you can do. Now the ball is in your court.

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- I second that!

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- I third it!!

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Steph Phillips — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 16:22:57 GMT

[quote user="Caro Laithwaite VN MBVNA"]

Lets us just dismiss a rather large misconception of yours Sue a very simple test. Ask her how a body system works.

You can walk away and allow cruelty to continue and not say anything just get a new job.

You can stay there and watch cruelty continue.

You know the score enough people have told you including the senior vice president of the rcvs what you can do. Now the ball is in your court.

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- I second that!

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Caro Laithwaite VN — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 15:40:47 GMT

Lets us just dismiss a rather large misconception of yours Sue a very simple test. Ask her how a body system works.

You can walk away and allow cruelty to continue and not say anything just get a new job.

You can stay there and watch cruelty continue.

You know the score enough people have told you including the senior vice president of the rcvs what you can do. Now the ball is in your court.

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S C — Fri, 26 Mar 2010 13:17:17 GMT

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Susan Jackson — Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:48:11 GMT

Is this not a matter for the RSPCA as it's in respect of a charity.

Got a charitry near me that was closed down and had to upgrade kennels train staff etc before they were allowed to take any more animals on, this included domestic as well as wildlife.

I think it should be reported but you may want to start with a formal letter to manager or leave if it's very bad, think of your own health

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hannahbubs — Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:25:34 GMT

if i were you i would speak to the BVNA for there advice. if not on the euth' problem then on the bullying its not on!

and maybe look for a new place of work that appreciates honest members of staff

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A Little TLC — Thu, 25 Mar 2010 10:19:19 GMT

Thats appalling..... I agree with the above..... Report it. Defies the whole point if being a 'hospital' if the patients are suffereing... I can't believe she didn't check for heartbeat.... utterly shocking.... poor badge. :(