Controlled drugs cupboard

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

SmegSlayer — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:06:07 GMT

[quote user="Claire York RVN MBVNA"]

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our DD key is in a number lock key safe next to the cupboard. No-one but the vets is suppposed to know the code but some of us get to know it by accident, altho it did take me nearly 2 years to find it out, so the vets are quite good at keeping secrets

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Do you work at CVS? We used to have this when I worked for them.

Where I work now, myself (HVN) and the vets have a key.

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i do work for a CVS practice, but i've worked for other cvs practices that don't do this. I think this system was in place before cvs came along and it stayed. we also have one for the dispensary cupboard which all staff have the code for.

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Maisy — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:52:49 GMT

The key safes are a good idea as the key is safely at the practice all the time (so hopefully won't be forgotten at home/lost!), plus no-one can get into trouble with the powers that be if they decide that person shouldn't have access to it either.

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Claire Cameron — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:32:35 GMT

[quote user="SmegSlayer"]

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Do you work at CVS? We used to have this when I worked for them.

Where I work now, myself (HVN) and the vets have a key.

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Sally Seddon — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:44:54 GMT

Ive mentioned the key code safe and i think we are gonna go with that idea. Thanks for your info and ideas, its gained me brownie points with the boss hehehe

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

SmegSlayer — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 06:59:55 GMT

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Erica Huggins — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:59:29 GMT

[quote user="Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN"]

i think the practice standards expect only the vets to have the keys (the inspector asked me this on the visit), however

the vets have keys, and i'm the only nurse to have one, as head nurse. this is mainly because of the ordering of drugs, but also because the vets usually don't have theirs with them when you need it (they usually ask me!)

i'm not allowed to give my keys to svn's or other vn's without asking what drugs they want. i trust all my staff implicitly, but that's the conditions of me having a key.

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This is the same for me as Head Nurse

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN D32/33 — Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:21:52 GMT

i think the practice standards expect only the vets to have the keys (the inspector asked me this on the visit), however

i'm not allowed to give my keys to svn's or other vn's without asking what drugs they want. i trust all my staff implicitly, but that's the conditions of me having a key.

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Kim Buckley — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 23:45:35 GMT

Our dd key is kept in a safe which is coded and only the vets and nurses know the code. Before this all the vets had keys aswell as the head and deputy head nurse.

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Sally Seddon — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:48:23 GMT

We are currently not a training practice and wont be unless we move building . But hey if the new training comes in and we can be an auxillary tp then maybe, fingers crossed for me .

Ive told my boss that i think the vets should have keys. Everyone else thinks a nurse should have a key but im the only one who will be there everyday and im not really a nurse. They argue that we keep our money in the safe overnight so we need to have access to the dd safe/cupboard before the vet comes in, i argue that as far as the rcvs are concerned we do not have to keep our money in the dd cupboard so therefore need no access to it before a vet would come in.

It prob does make sense that i have a key if im going to be there more than anyone (non of the vets are even full time!! just me and a lady who does admin/reception) but i dont want to be doing it wrong and get into trouble, or get anyone into trouble.

We have a dd register, i actually do all that at the moment because i do the ordering. Our HVN is due back from maternity next week (but is only coming back part time) hence the reason ive had to do it. Ive done all the medicinal products section of practice standards, think i deserve a payrise for all this lol

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Sparky — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:10:15 GMT

All the vets have one-but never carry it with them! its always upstairs in their bag! and three of the nurses including me have one-we don't have a qualified permanent yet so makes sense for us to have one-the vets always ask us nurses to use our keys!

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Donna France — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 22:06:25 GMT

I dont feel its a matter of trust where I work, If everyone had keys then it would mean over 30 keys at work through the day which I dont feel is safe either.

Just a key for night duty would be nice! It would make it soooo much easier! if someone broke in and demanded the drugs and we couldnt give them (which I would without a thought) then the nursing staff are much more at risk I feel, they may think we are been obstructive and potentially be in more danger!

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

FINNIGAN — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:42:08 GMT

all us nurses have a key, the vets never have theirs on them, i think its a matter of trusting the staff, my iv has said they should stay on the premises, but we think thats unsafe if we were to be broken into,

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Kay Eminson — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:30:46 GMT

Only the vets have keys we do have a spare but its hidden somewhere where only the practice manager knows where it is

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Donna France — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:20:35 GMT

only the vets have keys. Through the day I agree with this but its hard work finding a free vet to lend/open the cupboard. we arent even allowed a key i when we are on call so all drugs have to be drawn up before the vet leaves at 10pm.

This is a big bugbare because my argument is, what if the practice is burgled and we dont have a key? the burglar wont believe us and certainly wont agree to us phoning a vet to fetch!!! sorry slightly off topic!

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Maisy — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:20:12 GMT

I think for the PSS if needs to be a vet who keeps hold of the key as they check on this when doing the inspections, at least our inspector did!

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Hannah25uk — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 20:05:41 GMT

In our practice only the vets have a key to the DD cupboard.

Re: Controlled drugs cupboard

Sammyannieantha — Thu, 18 Mar 2010 19:55:31 GMT

Hi hun thats alot of responsibility for you and i bet theres alot of pressure on your shoulders. Its fine that your boss wants to give you responsibility of having cd cupboard keys but he needs to be made aware that he is responsible incase anything goes missing and not you. Do you have accurate recordings of use of the controlled drugs in your practice??Thats a requirement under the RCVS practice standards.The vets are really the ones who should have the keys as they are the ones who prescribe and therefore are the only ones who should need access but in our practice we sign them in and out (RVN's and SVN's)and the cd's are checked morning and night. We also write down drugs used on a whiteboard to keep track. As for your practice not having rvns be v careful as as an ANA you shouldnt really be doing things that a n svn/rvn is allowed to do. A student rvn can but not an ANA always. See i did the ANA qualification and then iwent straight on to do my training as an svn so i can do stuff. Try twist your boss's arm to train you and its clear youl make a fanstastic RVN if your boss wants to give you the responsibilty and you deserve more money by the sounds of it for so much responsibility. Hope this helps X