Help - kitten problem!!

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

loopylou711 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:37:13 GMT

[quote user="sal the 1st"]

I can - maybe I should have been clearer, the comment was for loopylou.

But as I posted earlier - putting differences aside hope things sort out soon for you

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yeah thought so! And no worries i get that when i am passionate about something i come across has overly opinated lol like i said tell me toshut up and calm down and i promise not to take offence lol!

Yeah things should be ok! Hopefully! Thanks sal!

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Sal the 1st — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:28:12 GMT

I can - maybe I should have been clearer, the comment was for loopylou.

But as I posted earlier - putting differences aside hope things sort out soon for you

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

loopylou711 — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:22:09 GMT

[quote user="twindy"]I think that comment was actually directed at me, not you, Loopylou[/quote]

think it was me maybe sal can clear thth up!

And well £60 is alot of money to me, not bank breaking amount but still alot!

Andsorry i took your coment the wrong way, i understand what you meant now!

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Tracy Windler RVN — Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:23:41 GMT

[quote user="loopylou711"]

[quote user="sal the 1st"]

[quote user="loopylou711"]

[quote user="twindy"]

Can I be a real bitch and ask...if you can't afford £40-50 to get your cat speyed, why have you got one? I'm sorry, but its the first thing I would say to a client.

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Well that comments totally not needed! We got her in August, believe it or not alot can change in 8 months! Have you never heard of "nothing nice to say don't say it at all".

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very familiar with the saying - and have been on the receiving end of your opinions more than once. Maybe this will bring home how hurtful some comments can be to others.

But putting that aside hope things get sorted for you soon.

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I apologise sal if i have ever offended you, i didn't think i had so i am sorry! Just say to me if you think am being a stuborn cheeky cow in the future - i am an over opinionate wegie who needs a go nudge sometimes!

But in all seriousness (sp) am sorry if i ever offended u sal.

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I think that comment was actually directed at me, not you, Loopylou. I sometimes use the phrase "can I be a real bitch?" to bring a lighter tone to something when I know it could be an emotive comment. Its obviously not what comes across!!

I still think it is a fair comment to make, as speying your cat should be a priority and will not break the bank, but I accept this is maybe not what you would like to hear when you are frustrated with your cat's behaviour and need some advice, so I am sorry I upset you.

All us vetnurses understand financial hardship and don't always make the best judgments regarding our own pets- I'm getting married tomorrow and took on a crazy lab x foster 3 weeks ago!! Not one of my best decisions!

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:32:07 GMT

[quote user="FINNIGAN"]

id like to add a little help if ok, i hd a similar prob with a rescue i took on , i placed tin foil where he kept toileting, (apparently they dont like the feel,) and also sprayed the area with citronella , it worked!!!!!!

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citronella is toxic isn't it? and no matter what you do to divert her from doing it, until she's spayed it won't matter she will just move on to another place. Better you know where she's doing it now and put a puppy pad or something down in the mean time until she can be spayed.

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

FINNIGAN — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 19:05:55 GMT

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

loopylou711 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:39:53 GMT

[quote user="Maisy"]

Sometimes it can be difficult to understand if other people are meant to be responding in a particular way across a message board. I don't think Twindy was being malicious and to respond to her like that was unfair personally, you're going to get opinions you may not agree with but it happens, thats the point of the forum!

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I was looking for advice not opinions or judgements on me as an owner. I have got that now and wont be replying to the thread unless to update on wht happens.

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Maisy — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:35:49 GMT

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

loopylou711 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:30:58 GMT

[quote user="sal the 1st"]

[quote user="loopylou711"]

[quote user="twindy"]

Can I be a real bitch and ask...if you can't afford £40-50 to get your cat speyed, why have you got one? I'm sorry, but its the first thing I would say to a client.

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Well that comments totally not needed! We got her in August, believe it or not alot can change in 8 months! Have you never heard of "nothing nice to say don't say it at all".

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very familiar with the saying - and have been on the receiving end of your opinions more than once. Maybe this will bring home how hurtful some comments can be to others.

But putting that aside hope things get sorted for you soon.

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But in all seriousness (sp) am sorry if i ever offended u sal.

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Sal the 1st — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 17:24:19 GMT

[quote user="loopylou711"]

[quote user="twindy"]

Can I be a real bitch and ask...if you can't afford £40-50 to get your cat speyed, why have you got one? I'm sorry, but its the first thing I would say to a client.

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Well that comments totally not needed! We got her in August, believe it or not alot can change in 8 months! Have you never heard of "nothing nice to say don't say it at all".

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very familiar with the saying - and have been on the receiving end of your opinions more than once. Maybe this will bring home how hurtful some comments can be to others.

But putting that aside hope things get sorted for you soon.

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:12:23 GMT

[quote user="loopylou711"]

[quote user="StephB"]

[quote user="loopylou711"]

[quote user="Claire BearRVN"]

Have you contacted Cats Protection for help Lou? Even if you aren't on benefits they will consider your application and provide help towards neutering. Our local Cats Protection will provide assistance to anyone who asks as they'd rather provide help and neuter a cat than risk the cat not being neutered.

Contact your local branch for more advice.

Fingers crossed she sorts her issues out. Bloomin' cats, who'd have 'em

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Thanks claire! I shall look into it! Currently feel like the worst owner ever! Just wanted help not judgement!

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Not judging babe! We're just trying to give you perspective and advice! Please don't take it the wrong way. We know you love her and only want the best, but this shouldn't be something to put off. :( I know you haven't meant to! xx

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Wasnt meaning you steph! I think of u and claire as the cat people on here! Your advice is always spot on and given in a nice way. just some peoples comments arent needed!

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Aw thanks hun! Also Lou check with your insurer about how much they will cover if she's not spayed. They may not cover some things because of it. Just in case so you know what to expect. It might actually save you money to not insure her until after she's spayed and just keep a 'kitty' for her or piggy bank.

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Claire Cameron — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:10:42 GMT

[quote user="loopylou711"] I think of u and claire as the cat people on here[/quote]

Crazy cat people maybe

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

loopylou711 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:09:56 GMT

[quote user="StephB"]

[quote user="loopylou711"]

[quote user="Claire BearRVN"]

Contact your local branch for more advice.

Fingers crossed she sorts her issues out. Bloomin' cats, who'd have 'em

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Thanks claire! I shall look into it! Currently feel like the worst owner ever! Just wanted help not judgement!

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Wasnt meaning you steph! I think of u and claire as the cat people on here! Your advice is always spot on and given in a nice way. just some peoples comments arent needed!

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

loopylou711 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:08:36 GMT

[quote user="Claire BearRVN"]

[quote user="loopylou711"]

[quote user="Claire BearRVN"]

Contact your local branch for more advice.

Fingers crossed she sorts her issues out. Bloomin' cats, who'd have 'em

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Thanks claire! I shall look into it! Currently feel like the worst owner ever! Just wanted help not judgement!

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I'm not judging you don't worry!

One of my was entire until she was one because due to circumstances at the time I couldn't afford it. I'd budgeted carefully, got her insured, vaccinated, could afford food, toys, etc etc. but due to finances, car breaking down, petrol etc. I couldn't afford her spey!

Infact one of my cat's vaccines had lapsed recently so had to restart her because I totally forgot!

P.S. Don't be so daft, you're not the worst owner in the world, I'd put money on the fact that she's the most spoilt kitty in the world!!

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Thanks Claire! I really didn't realise what problems not being spyed could bring!

Their insured vaccines up to date, fed and watered! Infact Lukas on bloody urinary food which costs a small fortune. I love my kittes lots and do everything i can for them! This years just been a tough one money wise which am sure is the same for most people these days!

Cheers tho claire! Made me feel better!

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:04:36 GMT

[quote user="loopylou711"]

[quote user="Claire BearRVN"]

Contact your local branch for more advice.

Fingers crossed she sorts her issues out. Bloomin' cats, who'd have 'em

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Thanks claire! I shall look into it! Currently feel like the worst owner ever! Just wanted help not judgement!

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Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Claire Cameron — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 16:01:18 GMT

[quote user="loopylou711"]

[quote user="Claire BearRVN"]

Contact your local branch for more advice.

Fingers crossed she sorts her issues out. Bloomin' cats, who'd have 'em

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Thanks claire! I shall look into it! Currently feel like the worst owner ever! Just wanted help not judgement!

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I'm not judging you don't worry!

Infact one of my cat's vaccines had lapsed recently so had to restart her because I totally forgot!

P.S. Don't be so daft, you're not the worst owner in the world, I'd put money on the fact that she's the most spoilt kitty in the world!!

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

loopylou711 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:59:16 GMT

[quote user="Claire BearRVN"]

Contact your local branch for more advice.

Fingers crossed she sorts her issues out. Bloomin' cats, who'd have 'em

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Thanks claire! I shall look into it! Currently feel like the worst owner ever! Just wanted help not judgement!

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:58:57 GMT

[quote user="loopylou711"]

[quote user="twindy"]

Can I be a real bitch and ask...if you can't afford £40-50 to get your cat speyed, why have you got one? I'm sorry, but its the first thing I would say to a client.

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Well that comments totally not needed! We got her in August, believe it or not alot can change in 8 months! Have you never heard of "nothing nice to say don't say it at all".

Thanks Claire and Steph B your information has been really helpful! I really wasnt aware that not speying her could affect her so much, in January when she was 6 months obv jst after crimbo not alot of spare pennies and as she seemed fine jst left it in the end! But next pay day i think i shall book her in!

Thanks guys for you help!

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We all have tight times Lou! dont worry just remember if it's tough now, how are you going to be able to afford a pyometra infection or kittens? Speak to the CPL and see if they can help, but if not please be wise and sort out a safe home with some funds for her. I know that will be hard but there are lots of families out there looking for kittens at the moment! :) May I also suggest you offer some Zylkene to her for a couple weeks until you can get her spay money together.

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Claire Cameron — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:47:43 GMT

Contact your local branch for more advice.

Fingers crossed she sorts her issues out. Bloomin' cats, who'd have 'em

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

loopylou711 — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:44:58 GMT

[quote user="twindy"]

Can I be a real bitch and ask...if you can't afford £40-50 to get your cat speyed, why have you got one? I'm sorry, but its the first thing I would say to a client.

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Well that comments totally not needed! We got her in August, believe it or not alot can change in 8 months! Have you never heard of "nothing nice to say don't say it at all".

Thanks guys for you help!

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Claire Cameron — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:57:18 GMT

Try and obtain a urine sample to check for any underlying medical conditions and bloods if you can afford it but definitely a urine sample.

[quote user="loopylou711"]WE have two boxes for them and there always clean![/quote]

Current recommendations are one tray per cat plus one extra, and as you have three cats I'd suggest four trays in total.

Is the tray in a secluded, private area? The cat must be able to feel secure in the tray as this is when they are most vulnerable. The tray also must be attractive enough to return to time and time again. So ensure it is cleaned regularly and that you are using a litter that she likes. Maybe use different litter in one tray and see if she uses or avoids the new litter?

I'd clean the area using biological washing powder, surgical spirit or UrineOff as Steph suggested. Leave to dry completely before allowing her back to the area.

You could also try spraying the area with Feliway and/or using a Feliway diffuser.

[quote user="loopylou711"]I hate shouting at her and giving her into trouble! Infact i dnt as i cnt c wht gd tht will do! i just don't get why shes doing it[/quote]

Shouting at her will make the problem worse not better.

[quote user="loopylou711"]we have had her since 6 weeks and shes been great![/quote]

There will be something that has triggered this behaviour and I echo what StephB has said re entire cats.

The following website has been written by my boss and you may find it useful

http://www.purrfectcatbehavior.com/inappropriate_urination.html

In the un-neutered cat, the urine not only signals the cat's presence but its status. Females in season have high levels of oestrogen in their urine to attract toms and they leave a highly pungent spray which is a combination of urine and secretions from anal glands under the tail. Spraying indoors is a sign that the cat is feeling stressed and needs to make itself feel more secure.

2. Avoidance.

Avoidance behaviour refers to those cats that are unhappy about the location or type of their current litter facilities. Some cats feel self conscious about using the litter tray in front of people or other animals, especially if the tray is positioned in a prominent area. Cats dislike using their litter trays in areas that are associated with eating and may seek alternative locations. The actual litter type and smell may put some cats off using the tray especially if the litter is dirty, clumping, perfumed or insufficient in quantity.

3. Fear / Anxiety

A nervous cat or one that is kept entirely indoors may be threatened by changes to his environment like redecorating, moving furniture or even new people entering the house. Smells brought in on feet may be enough to trigger a feeling of insecurity and a need to spray. Redecorating effectively removes all the cat's subtle markings which have been carefully placed by rubbing and scratching, with the strong odour of new carpets, paint or furniture. Your cat has lost his ‘furnishing’ hence feels insecure and feels he needs to replace it. Sometimes if strangers are in a house a cat will urinate inappropriately rather than pass through a room with the stranger in to access the litter tray or outdoors.
Some cats feel intensely threatened by the presence of strangers and subsequently ‘mark' an area with a strong, familiar and reassuring scent eg your bed!

3.Multi-cat territorial situations.

Adding new cats to an established household can threaten resident cats, or upset the balance in a multi-cat household and induce spraying. Status challenge within a group can occur as the younger members reach social maturity between the ages of 18 months and four years thus upsetting the group dynamics. Spraying under these circumstances is almost always accompanied by a degree of passive or active aggression and intimidating behaviour that you the owner may not be aware of. There is generally a conflict over resources ie litter trays, feeding stations, rest areas or toys.

THE SOLUTION

NEVER PUNISH YOUR CAT
Always seek veterinary advice in cases of inappropriate urination in a cat that has normally been using a tray and/or going outside or if your cat is not passing normal solid faeces.

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Sal the 1st — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:50:03 GMT

dont know if the water bowl will work - with Luci I worked on the principle she wouldnt foul were she feeds and it seemed to work exceptionally well - but I am not suggesting it will work in all cases. Priority for me would be to get her spayed

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Anonymous — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 12:50:55 GMT

As a pedigree breeder i'm around a lot of entires and know of a lot of their behavioral problems. You really need to get her spayed ASAP and if you can't do that then you need to re-home her to a home that can afford her. Her not being spayed is obviously stressing her out and this is why she is defecating in your home. {Please don't take this the wrong way but It's completely normal entire behaviour with lack of physical stimulation but company of other cats (male/female/neuter). Please get her sorted, even putting the food there isn't going to stop the problem she will just move on to somewhere new and your whole home will be covered in it, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if she's already sprayed elsewhere and you've not found it yet.

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

dinkyd — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:52:43 GMT

Hi.....to be honest at her age and if she is not spayed and this has become more frequent i think that may be her problem.She may be marking this area in a lookout for a boyfriend!Have you noticed her coming in and out of season at all?

If pennies are low have you got a CPL branch/charity that helps with the cost of neutering in your area?

Re: Help - kitten problem!!

Polly P — Thu, 11 Mar 2010 00:50:15 GMT

That is a fair question... I know she's an indoor cat, but I think you can avoid some health complications down the line with a spey- were you planing to have her speyed at some point, or did you want to breed her?

I know with an indoor cat there's less urgency, but she could always get out... I got a cat who was two and had always been kept indoors, I always planned on her going outside with time and taking it slowly- but before I even got the chance to do it properly, whenever she got a breeze from a window, the door opening or anything, she'd be trying to get out like a shot, so these things do happen!