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Donna France — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:50:43 GMT

And then they wonder why so many of us are fed up with the profession and want to leave.

Sal, yes I wholeheartedly agree with you, I qualified in 2004 so was automatically put on the list, however was assessed and trained by amazing nurses who some now are been made to feel less of a nurse after 'opting out' of the R bit.

Oh, and the crazy part is, dare I say an 'old school' vet can act as a mentor, with no regular observed assessments by IV's, this give me images of all sorts of problems! Not that im dissing such vets at all but they are a breed of their own after working with many!

Its just a huge pile of pants

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Kerry Spain — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:56:44 GMT

Sal its all bollox at the end of the day Don't let them get to you, I've come to the conclusion that the RCVS are there to mock us and its working. It's all good tho' it just adds another layer of skin to the already impenetrable armour I wear.

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Sal the 1st — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:20:19 GMT

yes I see.... so listed nurses are ok to help train new nurses but not good enough to be mentors ..... a very clear pattern is emerging here. Listed Nurses - who by virtue of qualifying before the cut off date which forced all new qualifiers to join the Register and are some of the most experienced nurses around AND I may add were responsible for training a good many of the now Registered nurses are being pushed aside yet again.

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Hannah25uk — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 13:01:28 GMT

The final Framework.....

http://www.rcvs.org.uk/Shared_ASP_Files/UploadedFiles/rcvs/1C1D80C0-C0B3-49A1-B101-B401B5EB99F2_Newawarddocdec09.pdf

Number 59 relates to Assessors/Mentors in practice having to be either RVN's or MRCVS although doesn't state whether you have to have been on the register for a specific amount of time.

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Kerry Spain — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 08:27:58 GMT

Aaaaaaaaaaah this old chestnut. I was working towards my A1 for nearly 3 years as I had only 1 student to start with. Eventually got a second student and was able to submit my portfolio. Get the A1 qualification and then get told it's going to be null and void!!!

So I spend nearly 3 years of my life working my ass off and helping 2 students PASS all free of charge. I say that as I didn't get paid any extra as I wasn't a qualified A1!!!!

Now the boss decided not to be a training practice anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spot the MUG anywhere?? Look right my way and you will find her. As some of you may tell I'm getting very disillusioned with the whole veterinary nursing career.

I've been told that to be a 'mentour' ideally you should be an A1 and have experience but who knows?? Just get joe bloggs off the street to come in and teach and do our jobs, thats a much cheaper way of doing everything for the skin flint employers out there.

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Maisy — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 07:12:27 GMT

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Does anyone know if you will have to be qualified/registered for a minimum length of time before becoming a mentor?

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Nothing for sure yet though it was mentioned that VNs must be 'suitably experienced' so in which case I'd imagine at least a year (as this is the length of time to be qualified before doing the A1 cert).

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Jo Mackenzie — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:17:00 GMT

Does anyone know if you will have to be qualified/registered for a minimum length of time before becoming a mentor?

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MrsP — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:23:34 GMT

IV at college said that only RVN's will be able to be mentors. Anyone who has A1 will only have to do a short course to go through the syllabus changes but anyone who doesn't have A1 will have to go on a course to become a mentor so they know what to do. It'll all be on line with the mentor writing a 'diary' type thing to show competency of the student. Also college said they wouldn't know exactly what's what with the new course until at least August!! Anyway, that's just what I've been told.

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Fuzzyduck — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:22:32 GMT

Yeah anyone with or without an A1 qualification can be an 'mentor' when the new system comes in.

So much for my extra qualification which i paid for and worked hard for!!! What a waste of time!

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Gemma Preston — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:03:00 GMT

I went to the assessor congress last year. The congress was planned then the day before RCVS decide to announce plan changes. From what I gather there will be no assessors as such just mentors, the training will be less formal and no qualification will be needed. The NVQ no longer exist and has been replaced with another qualification so they have decided to implement the changes now. If anyone knows what going on tho would love to hear from you cos nobody seems to know whats going on!!! I really wish they'd get there *** in gear.

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Stuart McQueen RVN MBVNA — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:59:31 GMT

So basically ALL qualified listed veterinary nurses can call themself a mentor....

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Alex Brotherston — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:55:32 GMT

What we've been told at college is that assessors will no longer exist as such, but they will be classed as mentors instead, as can anyone experienced enough in the profession.

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Stuart McQueen RVN MBVNA — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:54:33 GMT

I'm on my 4th attempt of my assessor portfolio... due to nurses leaving, the course changing etc etc I'm a little bit pissed about it! I didn't always want to be an assessor - but after starting it I really do enjoy it... so yeah I'm bit miffed about it!

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Maisy — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:51:34 GMT

It's a pain considering the slog it takes to get the A1 award in the first place! However like already mentioned if you are ever teach animal care students, the award will come in handy as will the knowledge of training a variety of students.

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gwennifer — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:50:04 GMT

Hiya.

I am currently working towards my A1 at the moment, not very far in. I have also heard that the A1 is not going to exist anymore when new rules come in and that we can be mentors, as can anyone who has clinical experience. My impression of the new course was that there will be hardly any paperwork, all online, so no need for assessors! It's a shame I think because It's something I always wanted to do, and now I'm doing it it's being scrapped! Grrr. Oh well.

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Donna France — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:49:43 GMT

Hi, anyone please correct me if im wrong, but yes the A1 Assessor qualification will become void once/if the new structure of training comes in to effect, we will be classed as mentors to the students (but anyone experienced can be classed as a mentor)

Some colleges are still doing the A1 award because the NVQ will run to 2013 I think so it;s something you may still be able to do,

With the teaching aspect, many Animal care courses have a NVQ element so if you obtained the A1 award you would still be able to use it for this if you eventually go into teaching.

Hope this helps a little.

Donna