VN Times article

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Sal the 1st — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:19:46 GMT

yes it ocurred to me as soon as I read it that this may indeed push nurses who otherwise would have stayed listed to to accept regulation.

BUT

if the intention is now to reopen the list and say it is now ok for RVNs who may never have been on the list because they qualified after it was closed what is to stop RVNs who didnt want to be RVN in the first place transferring onto the (unregulated) list? - but obviously nobody is going to want to do that if being on the list associates you with nurses that arent fit to practice..

appaling that nurses who are competant and have done nothing wrong will end up stigmatised.

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Tracy Windler RVN — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 13:12:32 GMT

I could be wrong, but it does seem this "legal loophole" is a handy excuse for the RCVS to push Listed nurses into RVN status, as they cannot differentiate themselves from the disciplined ex-RVN's, it might seem better to become RVN, than stay VN?

What I don't understand, is that if they made up the rules, how come they can't change them??!!

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Sal the 1st — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 12:07:40 GMT

well I hope candidates for the VN Council will be coming on here pre vote again this year. Theres plenty of questions I would like to ask!

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Kerry Spain — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:37:54 GMT

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Does not fill me with hope for the future of vet nursing.

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Exactly... get out while you can!!

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xXx Cat xXx — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:20:57 GMT

Hi,

I had 2 members of the RCVS in college today telling us all about the professional status we would be getting. When I questioned this with them the transfere for disgraced nurses they knew nothing about it. So I asked how they could stand up in class and tell us about how wonderfull the RCVS was given my limited but unhelpfull responces I have recently been given from them how could they call themselves a professional body and they defelected the question as well as questions about the new training scheme. No direct questions were answered at all.

Does not fill me with hope for the future of vet nursing.

Tracy

xXx

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Kerry Spain — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:41:39 GMT

Sorry to say but I just do not have the energy to get embroiled into this debate, I will probably have to leave nursing for good this year as we all know that nothing will change with this profession (many thanks to the wonderful RCVS... AGAIN) and I can no longer support my self on the pittance which I earn.

Just to make clear that not all of us had a choice with the 'RVN' thingy.

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Sally Howe — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:10:15 GMT

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Is it just me or does anyone else think this is a coincidence.... seeing as the new training regime for veterinary nurses is sadly lacking the attention to detail as the old way of training!!! and seeing as all these "new" nurses will automatically go on the register... and IMHO nurses who wont be nearly as well trained as before............ anyway just my thoughts!

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I was thinking that too.

Was discussing it with my vet too. It's a total b*lls up.

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:49:14 GMT

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Caro Laithwaite VN — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:57:29 GMT

I always said the rcvs was not fit to run the scheme this has borne me out. I now await the disciplinary for the nurse where they have been unfairly treated and made to carry the can for a vets incompitence/vendetta and l just know that rcvs wont let me down in treating the nurse as if she is the guilty party and not the vet.

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A-J — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:39:15 GMT

thanks makes sense now :)

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Sal the 1st — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 09:15:47 GMT

thanks Nick

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Nick Shackleton — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 06:18:45 GMT

http://www.rcvs.org.uk/Templates/Internal.asp?NodeID=96375&int1stParentNodeID=89646

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Sal the 1st — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:32:42 GMT

rcvs website under the vn register should explain this - have tried to post a link but it doesnt work

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A-J — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:25:56 GMT

clear as mud to me what do yo have to do to be registered then as i am 'only' listed

ps like i said i have been out of it for a while

cheers

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Vicky RVN — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:32:49 GMT

OMG i haven't read that article yet, it's appalling! What is the point of VN regulation if they're just going to say "ah well, you've been bad, we'll put you on our other list instead!!! What a load of baloney! I can understand why you're upset Sal, it's stupid!

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Nick Shackleton — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:32:46 GMT

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I have to say that I am livid too. I am also qualified and listed but opted out of registering for the same reasons as the previous poster. I also think that the threat of litigation is fairly high in society these days and as I can't do anything without the instruction of a Veterinary Surgeon, I am not prepared to take the possible repercussions. Especially as I work in a practice where "back up" from the boss is as rare as hens teeth.

I truly cannot understand why the "struck off" thing cannot work for nurses as it does for vets. Surely, if they've done something as to be struck off in the first place, they shouldn't be allowed to have the "get out of jail free card" of falling back onto the list.

As a way forward for the profession, I find regulation sadly lacking.

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Here, Here!!! Well said Deemus!

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Deemus — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 10:31:06 GMT

As a way forward for the profession, I find regulation sadly lacking.

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Sal the 1st — Tue, 02 Feb 2010 08:50:58 GMT

registered = regulated listed = unregulated basically

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A-J — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:46:45 GMT

excuse my ignorance but have been out of the 'scene' for some time what is the diference between listed and registered? I forked out £90 to the RCVS to be registered again and thought that was a good thing - confused am i!!

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:16:45 GMT

yes blacklist indeed!

I actually agree with regulation but have stayed listed because as it stands now regulation is a joke (except this isnt funny!)

how is it possible to regulate veterinary nurses when some of them arent even nurses?

I think it was 2004 (but I am sure somebody will correct me) when the RCVS had the climb down from first recommending only qual nurses monitor anaesthetics to basically saying any tom dick or harry was suitable (this isnt an attack on non qual staff there are some excellent non qual staff out there) - but this was the green light for practices to carry on employing staff with little , sometimes no training..... The excuse was we have to because there arent enough qualified. Well guess what there still arent enough qualified because the reasons they leave have never been addressed and the training has been seriously screwed AND because its ok to not provide your staff with a recognised training it will ever change.

How can you run a system where qualified nurses are regulated but non qualified / non training can do everything that a qual does (usually with full agreement from their employers) with no fear of any comeback. So unlisted nurse does something wrong and boss carries the can? how many times has that happened precisely ?

either all nursing staff have or are undergoing RECOGNISED basic training and face regulation or nobody does. When that happens (or hell freezes over) I will want to be registered.

very upset by all of this - Maybe the BVNA or VN council would like to comment on this?

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hissycat — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:34:50 GMT

[quote user="sal the 1st"] am a listed VN and have been for 14 years - I am now expected to share my lowly listed status with RVNs whose actions or behaviour has deemed them fit to be struck off the register.(or should I say no longer fit to remain on their register - but ok to come on our list) So its perfectly ok for the RCVS to tarnish my professional image in this way? Thanks a lot! [/quote]

thats one of the first things that went through my head aswell.. not fair on those that have elected to stay on the VN list rather than take the R. Just out of interest, why did you not want to go on the registered list? also, I thought they were not allowing anyone qualified after a certain date to join the VN list.. unless you're disciplined, then? a strange turn of events! will the VN list become like a blacklist of struck off nurses?! actually I can't imagine many disciplinaries being brought against nurses, especially if the only consequence is being moved from one register to another, but still, as has been said it makes the whole thing a bit of a joke! I welcomed the register as I thought being responsible for ourselves would give us a better standing, but perhaps not. I am saddened for my dedicated and hard working friends still nursing. The whole thing has only served to make joke of veterinary nursing as a profession. Imagine if a struck off vet could continue to practice on a different register?!! as presumably only the most serious offences would result in a nurse being struck off... I am shocked at it all

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Claire Cameron — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:31:35 GMT

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Sorry I am too angry about this to behave reasonably at the moment

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No need to apologise I totally understand

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vets are different - they are either on the register or they arent. (ie they can legally practice or they cant) It would seem from the article the Registered nurse can carry on doing what they are doing legally and adopt the fall back position through being struck off the Register and be placed on the list - which to me is a pretty sh itty deal for anybody on the list already as they get tarred with the same brush by association

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I agree whole heartedly. It's down-right appalling

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:11:22 GMT

Sorry I am too angry about this to behave reasonably at the moment

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Claire Cameron — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:04:37 GMT

[quote user="sal the 1st"]Sorry if I come across stroppy but the purpose of me starting this thread was to make listed nurses aware of what is happening to us![/quote]

I just thought it was relevant as he also should not be on any RCVS register, just proves that the registration system for both vets and VN's needs some serious consideration

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:00:48 GMT

yes I read about the vet but to be honest what I am going to be 'lumped in with' is of more concern to me at the moment!

Sorry if I come across stroppy but the purpose of me starting this thread was to make listed nurses aware of what is happening to us!