Tapeworms

Re: Tapeworms

Ellie P — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:32:13 GMT

I actually forgot to mention that we do this simply as we have seen many suspected and a few confirmed cases of lungworm in dogs and we are in central london. Our vet perfers this as preventative treatment. With our cats most are on stronghold or frontline depending on which they perfer.

As to giving products seperately i think if theres any chance to possibly reduce the chances of an unwanted reaction then we will do that. Buut i completely agree with previous posts.....reps will say anything in a pitch to get a sale!

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Sal the 1st — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:45:15 GMT

have to agree with a previous poster - beware of anecdotal evidence passed on by reps. I recall one congress where the Bayer reps were telling delegates about the dangers of frontline spot on and frontline spray - there was nothing printed in the literature they were supplying at the time because presumably that would have ended up in court- just verbal warnings to delegates. Capstar and Program were receiving a similar dissing for other reasons - but nothing in print. It wasnt only one rep doing this so I guess the information had been passed around from higher up. Unless its backed up in writing of a reputable source dont take it as gospel. And just so I cannot be accused of bias there are reps from other companies pushing other products who are doing exactly the same

Re: Tapeworms

Mac Feather — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:43:44 GMT

[quote user="ellie"]Heres the tricky bit.....if you use advocate first you must wait a month before giving the milbermax. If you give the milbermax first then you only need to wait a week before applying advocate.[/quote]

Sometimes I find all the choice quite mind boggling!

Re: Tapeworms

Anonymous — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:59:54 GMT

[quote user="ellie"]

We were told by Bayer that becaus the products are similar in the active ingredients that you should not use Advocate and Milbermax at the same time.

We do however recommend Milbermax monthly and advocate up until 6 months of age then the advocate montly and milbermax every three to four months, sooner if required.

Heres the tricky bit.....if you use advocate first you must wait a month before giving the milbermax. If you give the milbermax first then you only need to wait a week before applying advocate.

This was the advice given to us but to be honest if owners find that too difficult to follow then to just give advocate and drontal reguarly.

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I've yet to see any actual literature regarding the matter with Advocate and Milbemax and it's only the reps from Bayer recommending this, I mean why wouldn't they recommend you use only their products and not the competition?

I use Stronghold and Advocate in rotation with my cats and i usually will wait a week or two after administration of the Advocate to give the Milbemax for two reasons; A. common sense as they are the same drug. B. because I would like the Advocate/Stronghold flea treatment to begin working before I worm so that they are less likely to reinfect themselves so quickly via ingestion of fleas once treated.

I've done this now for 4 years and have never had a problem.

Advocate recommends 30 days between admin on the website...

Re: Tapeworms

Ellie P — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:46:43 GMT

We were told by Bayer that becaus the products are similar in the active ingredients that you should not use Advocate and Milbermax at the same time.

We do however recommend Milbermax monthly and advocate up until 6 months of age then the advocate montly and milbermax every three to four months, sooner if required.

Heres the tricky bit.....if you use advocate first you must wait a month before giving the milbermax. If you give the milbermax first then you only need to wait a week before applying advocate.

This was the advice given to us but to be honest if owners find that too difficult to follow then to just give advocate and drontal reguarly.

Re: Tapeworms

Mac Feather — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 12:51:19 GMT

So if you were to have a pet that used to get milbemax and then went on to advocate or vice versa how long would you wait before using the new product?

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Fiona Leathers — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 10:24:35 GMT

Who told you that???? The company that makes Milbemax???? Few drugs are "licensed" to be used together because licensing means that there have to be years of drug trials and companies won't spend the money on stuff which is virtually useless. People use whatever they want to use, whenever they want to use it. I've seen vets use NSAIDs & steroid together - why - they're not licensed to be used together, in fact they're probably contr-indicated??

Take any a drug rep says with a pinch of salt, they will say anything to get you to switch to their product!!

Re: Tapeworms

SmegSlayer — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:11:22 GMT

We were told that they weren't licensed to be used together when we switched.

Why does everyone who uses Advocate use Drontal as well when you only need a tapewormer (Droncit)?

Re: Tapeworms

Claire Cameron — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 20:37:30 GMT

[quote user="Bouncyfi"]

Don't think its anything to do with the company that they are made for but rather the active ingredients that are in the wormers. Milbemax & Advocate are similar drug which is why the companies say they shouldn't be used together.

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I thought the same as you Fi.

We use Profender in practice

Re: Tapeworms

bongo — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:25:45 GMT

yeah they are similar so you would risk overdose if u used them together, when we changed our protocol to protect against lungworm we decided to use Milbemax or advocate, now most things have advocate and drontal every 6m to a year depending on lifestyle of the animal.

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Fiona Leathers — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:39:18 GMT

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NIckie — Mon, 25 Jan 2010 18:35:44 GMT

Thanks for letting us know, wasn't sure if they reacted with each other or something!!

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SmegSlayer — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:19:12 GMT

[quote user="NIckie"]

Sorry for sounding like an idiot but why can't milbemax be used with advocate? We use drontal and advocate so don't really know that much about milbemax!

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Drontal/Droncit and Advocate are both made by Bayer and are made to work together. milbemax is made by Novartis and is not licensed to be used together. Also milbemax does all worms with you don't need with Advocate

Re: Tapeworms

NIckie — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:16:32 GMT

Sorry for sounding like an idiot but why can't milbemax be used with advocate? We use drontal and advocate so don't really know that much about milbemax!

Re: Tapeworms

SmegSlayer — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:56:16 GMT

We've just changed from Frontline (every month for cats and every 2 months for dogs) with Milbemax (every 3 months) to Advocate every month and Droncit every 3-6 months, as milbemax can't be used with Advocate and you only need a tapewormer

Re: Tapeworms

Lucy Rawlings — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:19:21 GMT

Thanks for all your replies! It is very helpful to see what everyone else recommends.

I thought as much, a year is a long time to go without preventative tx for tapeworm.

Will carry on what I usually say.

Thank you

Re: Tapeworms

Mrs Dot Dot — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 14:01:22 GMT

Panacur doesn't do all types of tapeworm... I think it doesn't do dipylydium.... appologies for totally wrong spelling...... we advise worm for all round and tapeworms at least every 3 mths eg milbemax or drontal, more often if around children or hunters or scavenging etc

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Kim Buckley — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:41:18 GMT

I use advocate on my dogs and was told by the vet to give them drontal every 6 months.

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Jen — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:38:01 GMT

Hiya,

We recommend using Drontal every 3 months for adult animals, or monthly for animals that scavenge/hunt. We also use Advocate on a monthly basis for flea and roundworm treatments, and lungworm treatments in dogs.

Hope this helps!

Re: Tapeworms

Stuart McQueen RVN MBVNA — Sun, 24 Jan 2010 13:27:49 GMT

As far as I can see...

Milbemax every 30 days.

Panacur every 3 months.

Drontal... I'm pretty sure we advice every 4-6 weeks?! But I ain't sure.

I prefer Milbemax!