Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

albatross — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:06:42 GMT

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And this will give qualified nurse status?

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Mujician, you have caught the VN training scheme right at the most awkward time as they are changing the way training takes place, mostly due to the Government scrapping NVQ's and partly because many people, such as myself, have waited years to try and get a place to train.

Anything can happen subject to final decision by the RCVS on the way forward (as the latest draft stands these could be affected):
TP's could decide not to train under the new rules because they will have to let the student go to college two days a week if full time, and also for the second year they have to offer only a one year contract so could have to let their student go elesewhere if they wanted to leave, rather than as some do now, ask people to stay a year or more after they pass
ATP's might set up to help provide more training places
Students might have to pay for the course especially if not already in a practice
people who fail may find themselves a bit stuck if they don't have contracts
20 weeks a year planned training will be awkward if people are in a non TP or ATP as I can't see a non training type practice paying for or allowing 2 days a week for 36 weeks in college, plus 20 weeks at another practice
many TP's currently have no idea how they are going to proceed - and although we were all led to believe that if you were currently on the NVQ route you would have perhaps 3 years to complete it, it even seems people might somehow get switched across although I can't see how that would work.
It's a case of asking all your local TP's if they intend to carry on training students, and also ask their VNAC if they intend to have the new course up and running - my local college had no idea what they were going to do before Christmas and were waiting for the new rules before they sat down to design the course - you will need a place on the college course as well now, as students are meant to be able to start without being in a TP....or that was the plan to help those who couldn't get places......

Just be patient, and eventually it will be cast in stone, and yet again we can all complain as it's bound to need adjustments

As late as November I was talking to TP's who had no idea the rules were changing.... so presumably they never received anything from the RCVS during the early consultation processes.

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Nick Shackleton — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:00:20 GMT

Either head nurse or Practice manager!

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Mujician — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:57:02 GMT

When I do apply to training practices, who should I address it to? The head nurse? Head vet? Head of Practice? Thanks.

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Maisy — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:32:37 GMT

Yes if you train according to the RCVS scheme. Check their site for more info but there isn't anything final as yet.

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Nick Shackleton — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:31:36 GMT

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So people wanting to start training in september will be fine?

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No! As that will be under the new training scheme! We won't know any details until april this year of the new training scheme

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Mujician — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:30:55 GMT

And this will give qualified nurse status?

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Maisy — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:28:41 GMT

September starts will be under the new training scheme most likely.

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Mujician — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:27:38 GMT

So people wanting to start training in september will be fine?

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Maisy — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:26:14 GMT

No I said that Training Practices (which are approved to provide the RCVS training to Students) are changing because of the new scheme that is starting later in the year. As mentioned though there is nothing finalised as yet so potential trainees are a bit stuck for now.

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Mujician — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:19:09 GMT

HI, sorry to hijack this thread, but I am a little confused by the second post. It states that (unlessI read it wrong) that Veterinary Practices do not offer training to become a qualified nurse. Is this the case? As its what I wanted to do. I recently went into my local vets who I know are a training practice and they didnt say anything about the training settup changing or anything. They just said, yes, send us a letter and your cv.

Just for your information, there are lots of VN training practices in south yorks, have a look on the RCVS website for training practices in the east midlands:- they are all listed there.

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

zookeeper — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:44:29 GMT

I started my first day back at college on Monday NVQ 2.

I have been told that I will be doing my 2nd yr the new style, and not the current NVQ way.

The head of the college who is also a vet has been up to the RVC regearding the new training. Basically in the 2nd yr there will def be no portfolio, but it will mean that the practical exams there will be more tasks I think it was 12, altogether.

When you qualify it will state that you have a Diploma in vet Nursing. In your 2nd year you have the option to do Small Animal nursing or Equine.

Sounds like the 1st years will have more of a raw deal.

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Claire Cameron — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:35:40 GMT

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[quote user="Jenttn"]Thanks ever so much - lovely forum xx[/quote]

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That's cos I'm here Claire keeping you mad girls in check

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If you say so

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Nick Shackleton — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:31:51 GMT

[quote user="Claire BearRVN"]

[quote user="Jenttn"]Thanks ever so much - lovely forum xx[/quote]

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That's cos I'm here Claire keeping you mad girls in check

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Claire Cameron — Tue, 12 Jan 2010 11:26:46 GMT

[quote user="Jenttn"]Thanks ever so much - lovely forum xx[/quote]

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Jenttn — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:30:42 GMT

Ar thanks guys.

Will contact all the local practices and see what I can find.

Thanks ever so much - lovely forum xx

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Caro Laithwaite VN — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:30:26 GMT

Well it is good teamwork l throw some vague comments up and you smarten them up and make them sound sensible

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Maisy — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:28:45 GMT

I'm just following Caro around now on this thread

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Maisy — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:27:38 GMT

Have you looked on here http://www.rcvs.org.uk/Shared_ASP_Files/UploadedFiles/rcvs/1D040881-DE25-4D51-8962-ED85D5AAE0B8_9_ne_eng.pdf However as the whole training practice thing might be scrapped there's no guarantee these practices can still train SVNs but if there are any on the list you can get to, I'd start with them first.

Have you any experience in working with animals at all? If not, even see if you can get some voluntary work first so you can get an idea of the job, plus it would put you in a good position when a job comes up.

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Caro Laithwaite VN — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:25:09 GMT

Ignore rcvs and contact all the practices. They may have a non training place and it is a stepping stone. And with the changes places that do train at the moment may well drop the training and others who do not may take it on.

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Jenttn — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:23:25 GMT

Many thanks for your reply.

I currently work in admin and hate it, have a degree from 2003 in Art.

Is it worth me ringing / writing to local vets in the area, according to RCVS there isnt any training practices in South Yorkshire.

Thanks

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Maisy — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:18:36 GMT

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Caro Laithwaite VN — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:17:09 GMT

Ok Maisy was helpful l take it almost back. But problem still stands.. noone knows what the heck is happening.

If you have a look through the training section you will notice the confusion. It even applies to those halfway though as this link explains

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Caro Laithwaite VN — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:15:39 GMT

Jen you probably won't get any helpful advice at the moment as they have just changed the whole training setup. We are now as much in the dark as you. Best to head to the rcvs website and look up nurse training. The whole system is in flux with training practices and what anyone is going to do or not do.

Re: Whats best college course or inhouse trainee ?

Maisy — Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:13:36 GMT

To gain the RCVS qualification you need to attend college of some sorts (some of the larger groups have their own college). 'In house' training is usually advertised for nursing assistants where the practice isn't a training practice and therefore cannot offer the VN qualification. The alternative is to go to uni and do the vet nursing degree.

The training scheme is changing at the moment so potential students may be in limbo to some extent with regards to qualifications. Send your CV and letter to practices though to see if anywhere has vacancies. In the meantime if you haven't done so already have a look at the BVNA site for more info on working as a VN http://www.bvna.co.uk - what are you currently doing?