Daily mail article on vets

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Anonymous — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:58:58 GMT

Just read it again and it did not happen in this country. Vet was in NZ.

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Sal the 1st — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:55:41 GMT

the bit that concerns me was that according to the comment the cat was kept as an inpatient without the owners knowledge and they only found out once the cat was fit to be returned - what would have happened if in the meantime she had got another cat? I agree it was a very good gesture on the part of the vet but also see how it could have gone very wrong

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:50:45 GMT

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Somebody has commented saying that after an RTA she couldn't afford to pay for her cats surgery so took him in to be PTS...then had a phone call from the vet saying he had done the op for free because he couldn't bear to euthanase the cat and needed the practice. Obviously she was happy....

Is anybody else slightly concerned about this? Consent issues?

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Not really, I think if it was my cat and I could not afford it, and had to PTS because of that,and then told my cat was alive and well, I would be ecstatic.

Re: Daily mail article on vets

Sal the 1st — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:48:44 GMT

yes I noticed that and raised it in the comment that didnt appear. There was something on there about the vet needing the practise - nothing about them carrying out surgery without consent tho! That comment although well meaning could raise all sorts of doubts with clients

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Anonymous — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:43:31 GMT

Is anybody else slightly concerned about this? Consent issues?

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Mac Feather — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:12:38 GMT

I agree Sal, the so called professional has created a gulf between veterinary surgeries and pet owners, all he's done (apart from plug his 'book') is heighten suspicion and mistrust and who suffers? The pets! Nice one- NOT!

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Sal the 1st — Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:02:56 GMT

one of the things that worries me about this is - not only are you going to be getting owners that think they are being ripped off by their vet there is also the danger that owners will not seek treatment because they are worried about PTS because of the emphasis placed on it by this article -I hope his personal standpoint hasnt influenced clients into making decisions they now regret with the hindsight of reading his views on treatment. I know how I would feel if I was told a pet of mine needed pts and afterwards found out that treatment was available that would afford it a decent quality of life. Hopefully he would inform the client of all options and not just the one he favours and allow them to make the choice? - but reading the various articles I am doubting that.

not only has he harmed the profession as a whole, he has harmed the animals that may not ever get near a surgery now because owners may be afraid to bring them in.

Re: Daily mail article on vets

Fiona Leathers — Mon, 07 Dec 2009 22:47:45 GMT

Mine was posted!! Emma Cooper from Vet Times is looking to do a piece on this, so if anyone has anything interesting and useful to say then you could always email her!

I also wonder if this vet could be struck from the register (if he's still on it) for bring the profession into disripute, cos thats certainly what he's done.

However aside from that, I haven't had any clients mention it.......but then again it was in the Daily Mail!Q

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Claire Cameron — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:40:16 GMT

I know quite a few people from the profession that have commented and they haven't appeared?! I wonder why....Hmmmmm

Although the comments have stayed at 200, so wonder if there's a limit?

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Vicky RVN — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:38:42 GMT

Neither is my colleagues...

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Sal the 1st — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:37:58 GMT

strangely mine wasnt either - cant imagine why that should be

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Vicky RVN — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:22:51 GMT

Hmm suprise surprise my comment on the daily mail website hasn't been posted

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Kerry Spain — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:39:43 GMT

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear... I think someones ego has just taken over the universe!

It's funny how silly little people act to further their own career and financial means. I mean come on writing a scathing article just as your book is about to hit the shops before christmas? HAHAHA nice marketing ploy Mr what ever your name is, sorry I can't seem to remember

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 12:41:24 GMT

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I would never ever have chemo done on any of my pets either, whats the point!! to get 6 more months of worry because thats all it will be.

I think if you can treat a pet and give it a good quality of life through an illness, and as soon as it starts to decline then I agree PTS is the best option.

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I'm confused by your comment about chemo...

My cat is on chemo for an mesenteric lymphoma, yes, in another thread I've just reported that she seems to have suddenly gone downhill a little, but 2 months ago prior to her exlap at diagnosis, she was happy & had a good quality of life. There's no way I could've put her to sleep then, nor leave her & see her struggle & not try to help her

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Ok, I will explain it better, I have watched 3 of my dogs suffer from ostesarcoma, and consequently watched them daily for any signs of decline, it actually rips my heart out doing the watching thing, and knowing that one day I will have to make the decision to PTS, I actually find it more gut wrenching with the wait for want of a better word, than the actual process of PTs, because at the end of the day and in my own experience sometimes it's a blessed relief when it is all over, and thats hy I would not put any of my pets through something just to give them a few months extra, and me a few months more of worry and stress.

At no point did I mention watching something struggle either, all I said was I would let things take their course naturally and when they did decline I would PTS

I will also add, that one of my dogs, in the pic below, on the left as you look is in chronic renal failure, in the acute phase she was on deaths door twice within 2 weeks, I had her hospitalised and on a drip, she is on meds daily and prescription food also, currently she is doing very well, and her last bloods her urea was 0.1 away from the normal range, her crea was still over 300, but she copes and shows no sign of illness and to look at her, you would think she as a fit and healthy dog. However I have said after her 2nd collapse, that if it happens again I will PTS, I am not doing that to her or to me for a third time. She is 3yrs old, but if she were older when she was initially ill I would have PTS on the first collapse.

Re: Daily mail article on vets

Claire Cameron — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:31:14 GMT

Has this been discussed on VetSurgeon? I'd be interested to see vet's response

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Claire Cameron — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:30:52 GMT

As a QuaIified and Registered Veterinary Nurse, I have never seen clinical decisions influenced by financial gain in the veterinary practice. Owners are advised of the options, regardless of cost and the owner will then make an informed decision.

With regards to the cost of booster vaccinations, I wish we could get vaccines for "pence" however they are not as cheap as this and the fee includes a full clinical examination to check for abnormalities and to discover the 'normal' for certain patients, so that should a problem occur we have records of previous visits.

Veterinary Medication may be available cheaper online, but this is due to bulk stock being purchased, I'm sure your local corner shop is more expensive than Tesco's or Asda?

Sadly, there are bad apples in every profession, but that does not give anyone the right to tar every vet with the same brush.

I think it's interesting that the author has a book to sell, nice timing of such an article...

Re: Daily mail article on vets

Claire Cameron — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:29:30 GMT

RCVS response to Daily Mail article

http://www.rcvs.org.uk/Templates/Internal.asp?NodeID=5071884

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Sidonia — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:16:53 GMT

Phew!! For a minute there, I had some unusual mental images!

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bongo — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:10:35 GMT

the dogs not the clients!!!

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bongo — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 13:09:59 GMT

we have bulldog breeders as clients and i have never known any of them be inseminated but they all have to have c sections suprise suprise!

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Sidonia — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:40:20 GMT

Unfortunately it does, Bongo! My practice used to do it for bulldogs, untill the partners agreed with the rest of us, that yes, it was actually unethical I have to say though that we always did it concious, and whilst I detest the practice, both the bitch and the stud tollerated it well!

We have had to carry out caesarians on bulldogs since we stopped AI, and it does make you wonder who is doing it now for the breeders!

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bongo — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 12:03:05 GMT

I stayed away from reading this article but as I'm off today and dont have much to do I thought I would read it. this man sounds like an ***! artificial insemination in a bulldog..I'm sorry, I know I have only been nursing for 4 years but does this actually happen?

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Sal the 1st — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:02:34 GMT

I think the chemo issue is a personal choice. Having been through chemo myself more than once it would be my choice not to use it with one of my pets . However I have seen chemo used successfully in animals and I do respect the wishes of people who choose to use it

Re: Daily mail article on vets

fairy — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 08:18:27 GMT

http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/forums/p/5949/57972.aspx#57972

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Rachel Jayne — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:10:59 GMT

I'm not having a go, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

Sorry, I'm swaying away from the main topic of this thread!