Clipnosis

Re: Clipnosis

Phrin Vernon RVN — Wed, 19 Jan 2011 20:58:38 GMT

I've just read Pete's latest post from NAVC, which prompted me to search for this thread.

http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/blogs/wedderburn/archive/2011/01/19/final-day-of-navc-from-ancient-therapies-to-online-marketing.aspx

From following the links in his post, it appears that someone in the US has brought out a product specifically for clipnosis!

Re: Clipnosis

Caro Laithwaite VN — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:58:18 GMT

Apart from that one time it aint worked so l have given up o it

Re: Clipnosis

Steph Worsley — Wed, 01 Sep 2010 07:17:01 GMT

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As well as, IME, making eye contact and slooooooooooowww blinkingggggg lol

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I think this can go either way, if you have a fractious cat and do this then you are at risk of being attacked as they see it as a fight for dominance

Re: Clipnosis

Phrin Vernon RVN — Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:26:39 GMT

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there are mixed feelings about clipnosis, personally i wouldn't want to try it but then again I dont scruff cats either, there are better ways of handling them, the feline vet i work with is very sceptical about it as well

I think like all things it probably has its place but not convinced myself

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I don't like scruffing either, unless unaviodable. I feel that less is more with cat restraint, although have been expected to restrain cats that other staff have wound up by rough handling/scruffing!

I would be interested to try this in practice, and see if it really does have a calming effect, cause in my experience, scruffing most definatley does not!

apprently, rubbing their nose can have a calming effect - something to do with i think the vagus nerve? though not 100% sure. probably something akin to shark trancing lol

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we regularly use someone else to stroke head/nose/tap the nose of fractious cats and it does work in a lot of cases, i find blowing on their nose or making a tutting noise near their head works as well.

I too am often asked to come in a nd hold fractious cats after someone else has wound them up!!!! But I have to say I rarely give up...only in very extreme circumstances do we end up sedating for bloods etc

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We had a dyspnoic cat in today for chest xrays - tried clipnosis, much to the amusement of my colleagues, and it didn't work! Ended up with the VS restraining it for rads (which I HATE- H&S anyone?)

Had a chylothorax in the end - drained 80 odd mls off, and resp improved dramatically!

Also wanted to second that ' blowing on their nose or making a tutting noise near their head works as well'

As well as, IME, making eye contact and slooooooooooowww blinkingggggg lol

Re: Clipnosis

Caro Laithwaite VN — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:45:39 GMT

used it still not sure if it was clipnosos or change of pace. It had badly bitten a nurse 2times and attacked in general. He needed an iv in. I got him out the nurse helping me was about to pins scruff etc and l stopped her. She was not happy but l insisted on my normal barely hold approach.

The cat allowed me to scissor clip the leg and place an iv it was not happy and we had to move like we were in treakle it was only after the drip was set the vet said oh l want bloods but that was a step to far for the cat.

clipnosis or slow movement no grab l don't know esp as it apparently may not work so well on nasty cats.

Re: Clipnosis

Anonymous — Wed, 09 Dec 2009 20:23:01 GMT

tried this today cat sat there quite happily and let me clip its nails no prob but as soon as I took the clips off couldn't clip the other foot as he was too busy running off! I was amazed

Re: Clipnosis

Claire Kellett RVN — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:16:10 GMT

A night vet I used to work with used this a lot and it generally worked well - always found it handy especially with lack of staff on a night.

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Sian Pasquale — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:54:46 GMT

We have used clipnosis a couple of times on ferrets for lateral xrays and it worked very well! Didn't think to try on a cat, will bear it in mind in future!

Re: Clipnosis

Claire Cameron — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:48:54 GMT

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Same here Steph.

We've not used Clipnosis in practice just had a go with Grubby, bless him.

I have to admit I don't scruff unless I have to but do feel it has a place with certain kitties, although I can't remember the last time I scruffed....

Re: Clipnosis

Steph Worsley — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:52:48 GMT

[quote user="Freckle"]

[quote user="frog and cat mad!"]

I think like all things it probably has its place but not convinced myself

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I would be interested to try this in practice, and see if it really does have a calming effect, cause in my experience, scruffing most definatley does not!

apprently, rubbing their nose can have a calming effect - something to do with i think the vagus nerve? though not 100% sure. probably something akin to shark trancing lol

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Re: Clipnosis

Maisy — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:10:58 GMT

Scruffing isn't the be all and end all of correct cat handling, but it does have its place in some cases. Any scruff-shy cat isn't likely to adapt well to either scruffing or clipnosis but if handling is otherwise difficult, I don't see a problem with either.

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Nick Shackleton — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:29:05 GMT

I like Felifriend seen good results with that!!!

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Freckle — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:27:24 GMT

[quote user="frog and cat mad!"]

I think like all things it probably has its place but not convinced myself

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I would be interested to try this in practice, and see if it really does have a calming effect, cause in my experience, scruffing most definatley does not!

apprently, rubbing their nose can have a calming effect - something to do with i think the vagus nerve? though not 100% sure. probably something akin to shark trancing lol

Re: Clipnosis

Vicky RVN — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:18:26 GMT

I can understand people not liking the idea of it, but can imagine it would be useful for a patient who would need sedation but you'd rather not sedate due to health issues.

Re: Clipnosis

Steph Worsley — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 23:16:07 GMT

I think like all things it probably has its place but not convinced myself

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Vicky RVN — Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:38:25 GMT

I've heard about this before but never seen it in action. Would love to try it , would be fab if you prevents sedation having to be used/kitty getting really stressed. Think i may get laughed at when i suggest it though if nobody has heard of it before

Re: Clipnosis

Louise B — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:29:53 GMT

Hi,

I have used this too. Works well for some cats but not for others. The scientific papers that I have read suggest that one way to find out if it will work is to see how the cat reacts to scruffing. If it reacts well then pegging/clipnosis will work, if it reacts badly then it won't.

Google youtube for some cool videos demonstrating this. I have used pegging for i/v catheter placement in a cat - with no handler to restraint the cat. When it works its fab

Re: Clipnosis

Rachel Jayne — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:47:34 GMT

Have seen this used before, is apparently meant to be a really good way of settling fractious cats....

Neonate theory fits too....

If you think about it, if a cat is kicking off saometimes all you have to do is scruff it & it'll shut up!!

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Hannah25uk — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:50:33 GMT

We had an australian vet who showed as this some time back although we forgot so never use it.

While kittens are with the mother cat she carrys her kittens to safety by picking them up by the scruff of their necks, in her mouth. The kitten's reaction is to go utterly passive to allow the mother to do her job. So i suppose it comes from that.

Will have to give it a go again at work when given the opportunity.

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Maisy — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:55:22 GMT

Have worked with a few Australian vets who recommend this all the time for rads etc. Works well in the majority of cats unless you have one that is particularly scruff-shy in which case it won't do anything except aggravate them even more!

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loopylou711 — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:47:06 GMT

Could I do this to my Luka to clip his nails? mm going to buy pegs tommorow! The thing is he freaks out when we do it so maybe be worth a shot lol! Plus is loooks so cool haha

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Katie Tallett RVN MBVNA — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:14:09 GMT

obviously not for detailed xrays but for a chest/ abdo film on an rta for instance it is great!

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Katie Tallett RVN MBVNA — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 23:13:02 GMT

we use this a lot on cats that we can't/ don't want to sedate for xrays. works well for most

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gemma — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:38:03 GMT

ok, so not really impressed with it.... to be fair though he did kinda freeze for 10 secs and then started freaking out!! :) on saying that i think the pegs were too tight and hurting him!!

Re: Clipnosis

Claire Cameron — Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:36:39 GMT

The research also stated it had a somewhat Pavlovian effect on the cats in that after they had been "pegged" a couple of times the mere sight of a peg rendered them relaxed