New SVN training 2010

Re: New SVN training 2010

ginny — Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:53:45 GMT

Nursie, I think you currently need to be employed in a TP to be enrolled as a student VN. Unless things have changed already?

Re: New SVN training 2010

Emma Townson VN Cert IV MBVNA — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:29:18 GMT

Not too sure what i think about the whole SVN training Scheme as unfortunately, I am not elligable to become a SVN!! Beacuse I am not resident in the Uk...I have a british passport, but live overseas. The RCVS wont accept me! I have just sat my ANA exams - so I was elligable for that - why can't I become a SVN then??

My Grandmother was one of the founding members and 1st chariwoman of the BVNA and fought very very hard for us nurses to get some regogntion so I think Im going to start a battle myself!!

Re: New SVN training 2010

Sal the 1st — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 10:14:27 GMT

I think it would be a good idea if - after the latest SVN training has been 'cooked' up to go back to the practices and see how many are happy to a) use the new system to carry on training nurses and b) how many new practices would like to become TPs. For the new system (whatever that turns out to be) to be successful then it has to be practice friendly and be taken on board by the practices - if it isnt it gains nothing and there will still be the excuse its ok to use non qual staff because there is a shortage of qual nurses.

Apologies if this has already been thought of

Re: New SVN training 2010

Fiona Leathers — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:57:41 GMT

You can take 3 years to complete the training which will work in favour of SVNs or ANAs already in employment. Instead of Year 1 being 2 days a week at college, they are proposing 1 day a week over 2 years. This would be no different to some VN training now. Although it hasn't finalised, this could potentially be condensed into block release. Year 2 can be in full time employment or placement.

It may be advantageous!

Re: New SVN training 2010

Nick Shackleton — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:19:23 GMT

I would say us on the 'shop floor' so to speak will be the last ones to find out anything!

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PHA86 — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:11:28 GMT

I'm a trainee ANA. I have to stay with my practice for one year post qualification. I was really hoping my current employee would put me on 1st year NVQ as soon as I passed (providing I do!), but from what I've heard from my assessing nurses it's unlikely we'll employ any trainee nurses if the switcheroo goes ahead as planned.

This is seriously pants for me! I'm trying not to worry about it for now but I would also like to have a vague idea of my plans, particularly as I've been in full-time employment for 7 years. I really can't see it being possible for me to train as a VN without an employer behind me.

If anyone can give me some advice on my options that would be fantastic![quote user="zookeeper"]

I am a Qualified ANA. I am due to start my new job at Companion Care on the 30th of this month. I was told at the interview that I would start my training September 2010. I went for the interview 5 weeks ago. Got a phone call to say that I will be starting now in January. Which is fantastic for me

The vet said that with the proposed new training it looks like I will be the last trainee they will be able to take on! due to the changes.

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Re: New SVN training 2010

Sally Seddon — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:00:37 GMT

[quote user="Bouncyfi"]

There will still be TPs but there will also be "auxilliary TPs" - that is practices which don't have all the equipment or caseload required (ie branch practices). The students which go to "auxillary TPs" will have to be sent out on placement to TPs to fufil any parts of their caselog, which they cannot get at their pracice.

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hmmm might work in my favour then, i work in a branch and our hospital is a tp

Re: New SVN training 2010

Fiona Leathers — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:39:41 GMT

Re: New SVN training 2010

Sally Seddon — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 13:11:10 GMT

it probably says somewhere what im about to ask (im just too lazy to go look)

are training practices still going to exist if this goes ahead? or will we be able to train at any practice?

Re: New SVN training 2010

Fiona Leathers — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:54:14 GMT

We got a letter from out VNAC about the 2nd proposal. They have increased the time in practice in first year to 20 weeks, which can be carried out in the same practice IF they cover all aspects. The large animal side of it seems to have been taken awway though - just SA & equine The college days have stayed the same. The Nursing Progrees Log (NPL) will start in year 1, although this is still to be confirmed. In year 2, students can either be employed or on full time placement.

Total credits for the course will be 180.

Re: New SVN training 2010

KirstyFord86 — Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:29:32 GMT

Just looked on the RCVS website and there is an update about the new qualification for vet nurses. http://www.rcvs.org.uk/files/5215178/FileName/vnstandard_dec09.pdf

Re: New SVN training 2010

Nick Shackleton — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:57:41 GMT

They may develop a block release type course for you guys Scotlass, some college do them under the current NVQ system! Don't be disheartened! Stick at it!

Re: New SVN training 2010

paula morgan — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:48:06 GMT

I am doing the ANA course just now on block release, but dont think al be able to carry on next year as theres no way I can see it working to my advantage, the college is 130 miles from me so dont really think it will be feasible x

Re: New SVN training 2010

albatross — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:39:22 GMT

the new course will begin September 2010, but the colleges will need the courses designed and extra QVN staff in place in order to teach both the 2nd year of the existing course, and the first year of the new course (and the new course will be 1 day a week for part time or 2 for full time and therefore may be two distinct courses so needing more staff than currently).
I was told by my college that they hoped to hear in December what the course would be as they would need to start designing it early next year to be ready in time.

I am in the same boat, and although still applying for trainee jobs, often those practices don't know what is going to happen. It is so difficult as even if you take a trainee job (if one could be so lucky....) then they might not want to release you for two days a week for a year, and also the 5 weeks of on the job training (if they couldn't fulfill all of the different requirements such as equine and large animal).

From a situation of tearing my hair out for 3 1/2 years looking for an SVN role, to gaining a place and losing it after 3 months through no fault of my own, it's now worse as even the practices advertising aren't sure what they can provide.
A big issue to everyone won't even be the looking for a place in the first year, it could well be how can we raise the funds to pay for the course - my local college didn't provide a grant for the SVN 1st year, and being older I didn't qualify for government training, and my practice didn't have the money to pay for me, so I was stopped from going the day before the course started!. Course fees could be steep and self-funding if not in a practice, or the practice not easily being able to keep or release staff for training may be reluctant to pay (especially as the 2nd year is intended to be a 1 year contract, so why pay for the training only for the student to leave after the training is complete?0.

Let's hope they soon put us all out of our misery so we can either continue searching for places to train, or give up the job of our dreams if it proves a bigger disadvantage than the current regime.

Re: New SVN training 2010

Maisy — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 17:05:28 GMT

[quote user="Kirsty Baker"]

Just wondering if any one have any idea when an announcement is to made regarding vet nurse training? I'm a bit in limbo at the moment as have stopped looking for a training place until we find out what's going on.

When a decision is made where will be the best place to find out all the course info?

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As mentioned earlier in the thread it will be a while before anything is set out, the proposals only went through at the end of October. Keep a check on the RCVS site as they will announce when the new information is available.

Re: New SVN training 2010

Nick Shackleton — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:09:41 GMT

New training isn't to start till Sept 2010 so a long way till we find out their grand plan!

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KirstyFord86 — Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:07:46 GMT

When a decision is made where will be the best place to find out all the course info?

Re: New SVN training 2010

Claire Cameron — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:23:45 GMT

[quote user="Caro Laithwaite"]

nope some practises prefer to hoik them out and keep cheap labour in. The short sighted ones.

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Sounds like a practice I know.

Full of 16 year olds... cheapest labour

Re: New SVN training 2010

Caro Laithwaite VN — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:19:40 GMT

nope some practises prefer to hoik them out and keep cheap labour in. The short sighted ones.

Re: New SVN training 2010

Claire Cameron — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:17:51 GMT

[quote user="Nick Shackleton"]

some girls I went to college had it written into their contracts that at the end of their training they had to leave, no exemptions!

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I thought it was usually the opposite. Tied in post training to "pay back fees"

Re: New SVN training 2010

Caro Laithwaite VN — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:34:50 GMT

The new shambles will count for less than the nvq.

Re: New SVN training 2010

Nick Shackleton — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:40:05 GMT

some girls I went to college had it written into their contracts that at the end of their training they had to leave, no exemptions!

Re: New SVN training 2010

ginny — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:38:48 GMT

I guess it would be sad if you had a really good 2nd year placement but no vacancy for them at the end of it!

Re: New SVN training 2010

Nick Shackleton — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:35:15 GMT

[quote user="sal the 1st"]

point taken - just dont think the vet nurse NVQ is valued high enough and is further undervalued because you dont actually have to have it to still call yourself a nurse.

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I have to agree. for example an NVQ level III in Health and Social care can be obtained in as little as 6 - 12 mths dependant on which modules you take no exams or practicals required. just assessment/training within the work place. No need to attend college either.

The reason our qualification got converted to an NVQ level III was so that the entry requirements could remain the same as pre NVQ.

Re: New SVN training 2010

Erica Huggins — Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:33:03 GMT

[quote user="ginny"]

Personally, I don't think busy practices will want to keep changing staff every year - recycling the 2nd year. This would unnerve a lot of vets!

Most practices will surely want to train and keep their staff, create an efficient working team . This makes better business sense to me and seems to be the norm in places i've worked in. I realise there are some centres that will look for students as they are cheaper but it would be chaos if the practice i work in did this!

They might be persuaded to help with training placements for 1st and 2nd years but only if the paper work / visits / red tape is cut back from what it currently is now.

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They can keep on the 2nd years aftyer qualifing though if they want! just does not hold anybody to any contracts. So if your a good trainee why would they want to loose you. At the same time if you want to leave it is easier as no claues in paying back fees!