DAP v Zylkene

Re: DAP v Zylkene

Claire Pointing — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:22:38 GMT

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I was just wondering if anyone would give me their opinion. I know a fair bit about zylkene but not so much about DAP.

I have a dog who will not get into the car and is scared of travelling in it but it is just one particular car. He is fine will any other cars just not this one. i know that zylkene will help him in the car and getting into and will also help us to train him to go in it willingly. However I was wondering wether this is better than the DAP spray in this situation.

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Hi Yorkie

I am the technical vet responsible for Zylkene, and have also used it in practice as well.

Zylkene is proven to help manage stress so certainly it may be useful in your situation. I have used it for dogs that don't travel well - very successfully. We do always advocate behavioural modification as well so contacting a behaviourist as has been suggested would certainly be a good idea.

Also - it is known that being less stressed does aid learning so using Zylkene durin g the behavioural modification should make your dog more receptive.

As for which is better - DAP or Zylkene - it is impossible to say. They both act in a different way - however there is nothing against using both together.

Hope that helps.

Re: DAP v Zylkene

Nicola Smith — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 13:03:01 GMT

I did the lincoln uni pheromone course and my case study was a dog with car phobia leading to vomitting. I used a DAP spray, on a bandanna around the neck as well as in the car. We initially only used to go and stand by the car and play a game or give a treat, never pushed him only took him as close as happy, then moved onto getting in and out of car, turning on engine, puling off drive etc etc, . Took a long while but now fine but very dedicated owners who did things with him at least if not twice every day and young dog so maybe a bit easier.It shoud be a very controlled level of exposure and loads of hard work, a beahvourist would be good to plan things - lincoln uni do consults via phone etc I think for cases like this, why nt contact them.

Re: DAP v Zylkene

Lucy Brett — Fri, 23 Oct 2009 11:36:52 GMT

Hi Yorkie,

I have been having a think about your situation and I think you should speak to a behaviorist. I would suggest getting in touch with the APBC on 01386 751151 or at info@apbc.org.uk. They will be able to suggest someone in your region qualified to help you.

If the dog only has a problem with one car you are probably going to need to go though desensitization and counter-conditioning as this sounds like a more complicated issue than straight travel problems. D.A.P. can help with this process, but is unlikely to be a one stop cure.

Sorry this is probably not what you wanted to hear.

Lucy

Re: DAP v Zylkene

Lucy Brett — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:43:21 GMT

Hi Yorkie,

I’m afraid I don’t know much about using Zylkene to help dogs travel problems, but I have uploaded two papers on using D.A.P. I hope that helps.

Has anyone else used Zylkene to treat travel problems?

Lucy

Re: DAP v Zylkene

Anonymous — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:35:34 GMT

Sounds good don't forget you need to be trained to! As he will read your body language towards/against the car. If you are also worried about the car or worried about him and the car he will sense this and make it more difficult :)

Re: DAP v Zylkene

Helen Garbett — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:31:48 GMT

Yeah we have been doing the training and rewarding him, and is a pretty trainable dog untill he sees this car. with the right encouragement, trainig and reward he will be alot better, he just needs something to "chill him out" to be receptive to the training rather than shaking and running away as soon as he sees the car.

Im really just looking for something that will help us to train him to go in it willlingly and wondering which was best.

Thanks for your opinion,

Re: DAP v Zylkene

Helen Garbett — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:24:38 GMT

Thank you for the link.

Re: DAP v Zylkene

Anonymous — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:21:45 GMT

I think the DAP travel spray and collar would be a great thing for this. but it needs to go hand in hand with lots of short periods of trial and lots of praise for even moving towards the goal.

Re: DAP v Zylkene

Nick Shackleton — Thu, 22 Oct 2009 20:09:42 GMT

Lucy brett is member on here, who work for CEVA

http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/members/Lucy/default.aspx

She should be able give you some advice!