Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

Re: Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

Mac Feather — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:27:42 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]who I like more and who would fit in best![/quote]

I agree. Little point in having the whizziest super nurse (however the qualification was gained) if they are unlikely to fit in with the team and be good with clients.

Re: Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

Erica Huggins — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 01:01:54 GMT

How come the nurse in practice had only just qualified if she had been working for 5 years?

I have worked with good and bad nurses and they have been both NVQ and degree nurses. It has more to do with attitude and aptitude than how you chose to study surley!

Re: Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

Saskia Quinn — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:58:19 GMT

[quote user="Paul McCulloch"]

I have a question, You are an employer and have two interviewees for a RVN post. The 2 nurses are both qualified (qualified 4 months ago). One has been working in a vet practice for 5 years where she/he went to college once a week to qualifiy as an RVN. The other went to Uni for 5 years where she/he qualified as an RVN. Who would you employ and/or if you had 2 positions available would you pay one more than the other?

Please let me know if you know of any legal rights for one over the other. Thank you all.

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Paul, you joined on the same day as you posted this thread. I saw you online the next day and you were reading replies to this thread - however, you havent posted any reply to all the members who took the time and effort to reply to you

Reading your profile, its the only thread you posted and you havent commented on any other posts? I wonder the reason why you joined vetnurse?

How about a simple thank you to the members that did reply to you? It wouldnt take long, and its only manners after all

Re: Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

Kim Buckley — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:38:50 GMT

It came out in a survery a while ago that on average degree nurses actually get paid less than NVQ students.

Re: Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

Bunny1 — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 08:00:53 GMT

I think you have to judge them on an equal basis and on their own merits. You could have a degree nurse with lots of experience because they have worked in variety of practices, exposed to a broad range of cases and methods and done holiday/weekend work over and above the required hours or one who has only done the minimum required of them. Equally you could have a very experienced day release who qualified in a busy varied practice with experienced RVN's to learn from or one who has only worked in a practice where nothing ever changes and students are glorified cleaners.

Day trial sounds the best way forward.

I don't think you can pay more for a degree as its the RVN qualification you are looking for rather than a BSc. I certainly didn't expect to get paid more when I qualified and didn't, it was my VN qualification that was more important than my degree and was what employers looked at.

Re: Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

Kay Eminson — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:21:14 GMT

The only difference between me (a rvn but in my last year of my BSc) and another nurse at work who qualified a few months after me through day release, is I have done business modules and she hasnt. In terms of nursing we are equal, only difference is if I was applying to be headnurse/manager?

Re: Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

Katie Tallett RVN MBVNA — Sat, 26 Sep 2009 09:00:55 GMT

i think our practice would choose the VN on which individual they liked and thought would fit in well. also experience would play a big part. we always do trial days when looking to employ someone new so that we get an idea of their confidence and personality. all newly qualifieds get paid the same , goes up 1 yr post qualification and has an incentive scheme from there (the more you do, the more you get)!

Re: Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

Gillian Mostyn — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:53:02 GMT

How they got their VN qualification is irrelevant to me. I would interview both and base my decision simply on who I like more and who would fit in best! Having said that, I would expect to see that the degree VN has spent plenty of time in practice, both as part of the training and in their own time, to gain enough experience. If they had less experience/confidence than the other nurse, then they would probably get paid less as their responsibilities would be less.

Re: Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

ginny — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:29:23 GMT

I could get on my soap box very easily on this topic but have decided that life really is too short! You could be opening an whole can of worms!

2 whole VNs apply for one job?? Wishful thinking. We've been advertising for weeks and only had 1 VN apply (plus lots of potential students!)

As far as i am concerned a VN is a VN regardless of how they trained. It would be a new job, new situation so they are both technically starting from the bottom. (I am personally wary of degree VNs from bad experiences that i won't go into). I would advise my boss and HVN that they see them both for a days trial. I'm not privvy to who gets paid what but if asked i would advise that they are paying for the VN qualification and not the degree so the pay is the same. Salary can be reviewed over 6 months or so. As far as i am aware there are no legal differences provided they are both qualified and registered/listed - portfolio, exam etc.

Are you in the unique position of having to make this choice?

Re: Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

Caro Laithwaite VN — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 19:03:24 GMT

And if all else fails you could toss a coin and take the best of 3 or pull straws.

Re: Degree RVN 'vs' Day release RVN qualification

Caro Laithwaite VN — Fri, 25 Sep 2009 18:59:10 GMT

It would be a little unfair and biased for us to say what we thought.I am guessing the day release would say we are better and uni would say they are better.

You have to choose for yourself based on how each person performs. You could always ask them to spend a day each if you have not done so to see how they react to situations.

I would say no l would't pay one more than the other. It is often thought that just because a person has been to uni they are worth more. Quite frankly that is rubbish they both have their strong and weak points. They qualified at the same time so get the same wage until you feel that one or both needs to be upped to the next level by whatever means you use... decided fairly.

Legal rights not sure what you mean by that if they both hold a recognised vn status as set out by rcvs then they hold whatever legalities that gives.