Death from Microchip

Re: Death from Microchip

chris beasley — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:25:37 GMT

looks like it will end well!

Contacted orginal owner this morning. She thought cat was dead. She has another cat now and felt that if cat was settled she would leave it with new owners.

BUT- she wanted to discuss with family first then contact and discuss with new owners.

Tried to say to VS this morning that we must scan all new pets. He agrees but says not everyone remembers.

Re: Death from Microchip

Steph Phillips — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:13:06 GMT

The way we deal with a stray cat thats been chipped is, we get the finder to wait 5mins while we contact petlog, .. then we contact the Owners, and ask the owners premision to give their details to the finder, so they can return the cat (In our area, people who find cats/dogs are happy to return them!) usually the owner is delighted and is happy for us to forward their info! - If the number no longer exist.. but they live locally, I'd post a note or knock on their door :) if they lived too far away.. god knows! never happened before! probably ring rspca/cpl so they can collect it, and take it to it's home! Thankfully all chipped strays brought into our surgery have been safely retuned :)

Re: Death from Microchip

christinam — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 00:11:58 GMT

I've had the case of a stray with a chip a few times, a couple that I can remember: one ended up well, we contacted the orginal owners and they were happy that the cat had settled in a new home as kept leaving home and was happy that the finders could take on ownership, the other was when a cat came in and after a lot of ermm and ohhs, turned out was fed / kept/ treated by two homes!

Re: Death from Microchip

Angiy Michael — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:45:50 GMT

I have come across this before when at an insurance company we had a claim for this..I advised the vet practice was liable but then it transpired the owner was a breeder and they implanted it after the sum total formal training of being shown once by a member of staff at their vets

Re: Death from Microchip

loobylou — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:36:22 GMT

We've had this recently, couple brought in a cat they say adopted them 6 months ago. They recently moved into our area and brought the cat with them. As they said it was a stray we scanned it and surprise surprise, found a chip! We phoned the original owners who say they knew the people who had the cat now, they were previoously neighbours, knew they had been feeding the cat and had asked them not to. They suspected the new 'owners' had taken the cat with them but didnt know where they had gone so couldnt contact them. They were obviously shocked at us finding their cat and we left it with them to think about how they wanted to proceed. We suggested that if they wanted the cat back then it would be dropped and collected at the practice with no details exchanged. We never heard from them so the cat stayed with the new owners.

Re: Death from Microchip

sarah Hall — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:14:24 GMT

We had a similar thing and because of the data protection act we couldnt give out the real owners details but thankfully for the finder who wanted to keep the cat the original o had already got a new cat and was happy for the finder to keep her old cat.

Even if it is a bit aqward at least the old owners mind will be at rest knowing the cat has not died or suffred.

Re: Death from Microchip

Sal the 1st — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:06:31 GMT

this can be very messy - have had a similar case. Thing is you shouldnt be sharing the name and address of the original owner with the finder but equally if the finder refuses permission you cannot share their details with the original owner. Ours was a bit different in that it was a dog but was messy all the same and required police involvement.

Have you tried ringing RCVS for further advice specific to this case?

Re: Death from Microchip

Mrs Dot Dot — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:56:10 GMT

Difficult! But we've always said to stray cat finders that we have to contact owners if they are microchipped..... You are bound by client confidentiality, not to give out owners details to anyone.

Contacy the Veterinary Defence Society and go by their advice... it's not just for vets.... but get some proper advice

Re: Death from Microchip

chris beasley — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:49:16 GMT

Slightly different problem but on the subject of Microchips.

We had a client come in three weeks ago with a stray cat that she had been feeding for a couple of months. She had it checked over and 1st vacc. Today she came in for 2nd vacc and the VS checked the cat for microchip. Yep you ve guessed it. It had a chip.

Phoned Petlog for details. Normally if a stray has been found by a member of the public and we discover a chip, we get the details and give it to the client with the stray.

NO!!!!

RCVS says the person who has found the stray is not allowed to have any personal details. We are the only people allowed to contact the orginial client.

This one is going to be a problem. New owner doesnt what to give the cat back as she feels it must have been neglected months ago. Havnt spoken to orginial owner yet, but what do I say. I though the legal side was a bit iffy when it came to the ownership of cats?

Need to make this call tomorrow- any suggestions?

Re: Death from Microchip

sarah Hall — Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:40:41 GMT

I have never heard of this happening but dread to think this could happen. I will be microchipping more carefully from now on!

The comments about microchipping not being cool are disterbing. We so many strays brought in that go to the dog warden and probally never see their owners again because they are not chipped. Bring on the days when microchipping is compulsory.

Re: Death from Microchip

Ava M — Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:38:25 GMT

Hi,

I have heard of 2 cases of microchips being implanted into the spine and base of the skull!!! Don't know where or when, you know how chinese whispers are, but one was a very small kitten and the other was a small puppy if my memory serves me correctly. God only knows how they managed it though

Re: Death from Microchip

les punton — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:15:23 GMT

But remember that saying .................everyone remembers a bad job/story, no one remembers a good one! well done

Re: Death from Microchip

PHA86 — Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:50:40 GMT

I did my first microchip yesterday, I was terrified of getting it in the dog's spine after reading this!

Re: Death from Microchip

Vicky RVN — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 13:01:41 GMT

[quote user="mrs mac"]

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Well it amazes me the amount of people that would rather take the advice of the bloke the lives doon the road that 'knows' about dogs than qualified veterinary staff!

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Ah but the bloke down the road is FREE!!!!

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Very true. Yet why is it when you do nurse clinics and give advice you get people that wont believe it even if it is f.o.c? White coat syndrome methinks!

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Ah but you don't understand, we do foc nurse clinics in order to find problems with the animals which will then cost them! Obviously!!!!

Re: Death from Microchip

Mac Feather — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 12:40:33 GMT

[quote user="Vicky C"]

[quote user="mrs mac"]

Well it amazes me the amount of people that would rather take the advice of the bloke the lives doon the road that 'knows' about dogs than qualified veterinary staff!

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Ah but the bloke down the road is FREE!!!!

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Very true. Yet why is it when you do nurse clinics and give advice you get people that wont believe it even if it is f.o.c? White coat syndrome methinks!

Re: Death from Microchip

Vicky RVN — Sun, 20 Sep 2009 00:58:14 GMT

[quote user="mrs mac"]

Well it amazes me the amount of people that would rather take the advice of the bloke the lives doon the road that 'knows' about dogs than qualified veterinary staff!

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Ah but the bloke down the road is FREE!!!!

Re: Death from Microchip

Jen — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 13:45:05 GMT

Yes, a vet at my first practice managed to insert a microchip into a cats spine. It ended up going to a referal centre for surgery. I think it made it through in the end but only after a lot of surgery and rehab! Cant really remember the details, I had only been nursing a few months at that point. Needless to say I have always been VERY careful when inserting them!

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Caro Laithwaite VN — Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:50:12 GMT

A vet has seen it happen into the spine. The inserter was placed towards the head and at the wrong angle. The dog jumped, slammed it's head back and it slid in between the vertebrae. i now do it backwards facing and keep it shallow angled.

Re: Death from Microchip

Mac Feather — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:05:29 GMT

Well it amazes me the amount of people that would rather take the advice of the bloke the lives doon the road that 'knows' about dogs than qualified veterinary staff!

Re: Death from Microchip

Mrs Dot Dot — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:19:12 GMT

About the microchip and cancer suggestion, I'm pretty sure that someone is doing a study into possibility of them being associated with sarcomas, along the lines similar to the vaccine reaction sarcomas in cats..... I went on a CPD day by the purevax company, Merial, last year, and this was brought up then, in the Q&A session, but I cannot remember who or where it is being done....sorry.

Re: Death from Microchip

Saskia Quinn — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 20:59:39 GMT

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Did anyone read the rest of the threads??? Microchipping causes cancer!! I did have one client come in the other day saying she had read on the internet that a microchip had travelled through the bloodstream and killed the dog by landing up in the heart! Now that was dodgy microchipping! But isn't the internet wonderful!!!!

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Yes, I read the threads Fi, the cancer one and 'not cool' one made me laugh. Honestly, I do wonder where the general public get their ideas from.

The posters were also very 'down' on vet staff as a whole

Re: Death from Microchip

Kay Eminson — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:19:06 GMT

[quote user="Vicky C"]

[quote user="Kay88"]'Its not clever and its not cool' [/quote]

"yeah i went to the vets right and they put this thing in my dog right, and now he's got this really long number"!!!!

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Re: Death from Microchip

Vicky RVN — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:54:32 GMT

[quote user="Kay88"]'Its not clever and its not cool' [/quote]

"yeah i went to the vets right and they put this thing in my dog right, and now he's got this really long number"!!!!

Re: Death from Microchip

Deemus — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:46:53 GMT

The mind boggles. It doesn't state who chipped the cat as in a qualified memeber of staff. You'd think it's not an easy thing to do tho.

Microchips cause cancer eh? Apparently so do glucosamine and chondroitin, metacam and DMV. I've heard all three over the last month or so.

Re: Death from Microchip

Bethany Leonard - Williams RVN — Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:46:00 GMT

i have never ever heard on a documented case of someone inserting a microchip into the spinal cord - plus the original poster in this article said it was someone from the RSPCA coming to her home to insert the chip - and that i have never heard of either they always chip them before re-homing them and if they didnt why the hell did they go to thier house and not get her to bring them into the re-hominh centre/rspca vets to get it done! all sounds very odd to me. plus i love the way that all the other posters on this linked article seem to automatically assume it was a vet or a nurse yet the original person doesnt state if it was vet staff or not!