Parvo

Re: Parvo

Katie Tallett RVN MBVNA — Mon, 05 Oct 2009 08:08:55 GMT

[quote user="Mary Lyle"]Rotties and dobermans are the ones we have most difficulty in saving so we have a very different protocol for managing them[/quote]

how so? it would be good to know if there is a more effective way of treating these breeds as we also get quite a lot via the RSPCA.

Re: Parvo

Mary Lyle — Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:34:28 GMT

Just thought you chaps would like to know that we deal with anything up to 50/60 cases of parvo per annum. Mostly un vaccinated animals but ocasionally older ones with vacs. Rotties and dobermans are the ones we have most difficulty in saving so we have a very different protocol for managing them. Others if we get them early enough we have a very high success rate. We do SNAP test almost as routine for puppies presenting with vague symptoms. We also see a lot of heavy worm infestations.

Re: Parvo

Nicola Smith — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:45:47 GMT

We offer all our pets extra parvo shot at about 20 weeks, but especially push it for black and tans - doesn't mean the owners will get it done though!!!

We are about the only practice offerin this in our area and even though we explain why people think we are cashing in!

Re: Parvo

Katie Tallett RVN MBVNA — Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:59:58 GMT

we had a 6mo weimeraner confirmed about 3 weeks ago. never seen a vet in its life.... why buy a puppy (and pay pedigree prices) and not get the bloody things vaccinated??

it had been offit for 3 days but was collapsed by the time we saw it ('he was running around an hour ago'- erm yeah). died that night

Re: Parvo

Sally Seddon — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:44:33 GMT

we had a confirmed case a few weeks ago. a 12wk old poodle, didnt make it he was infested with worms too. poor little man

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Sally Howe — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:25:01 GMT

We had a confirmed case of parvo on Friday. Vaccinated German Shepherd.

Luckily we caught it early and the dog is recovering slowly.

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Jo RVN — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:14:08 GMT

With regards to the Black and tan comment - Rotties are more susceptible to the disease, they take longer to recover (if the do). I'm not sure why but we had a couple of dogs in (from the same place) and the staffie got over it in the usual time, but the Rottie was struggling, so our vet did some research and Rotties seem to suffer more with it. So maybe the black and tan thing does make a difference!

Re: Parvo

Mrs Dot Dot — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:02:27 GMT

Last Tuesday a new client brought in a new puppy that a friend had collected for them on Sunday, from a breeder in London - a beagle X Sharpei(!!!). It was 8 wks old, it had spent all day Sunday after being collected, running round , madly(again !!!) with their friends adult dog, and from Sunday evening since, hadn't eaten anything.

We admitted it for fluids/blds/hosp/ xrays etc with a view to a possible fb etc - some vomitting (bile), no diarrhoea. Wednesday, after 24hrs IVFT we ex-lapped it- no fb, kept it in till Monday, improved each day with a bad bout of Diar on Thursday and Sat, but by Monday was brght++++, normal puppyish etc, all ok- went home as well....... We got a phone call from the lab today to say that it was parvo +!!! - faecal sample sent off after diarr on Saturday.

Definately not a classic case of parvo, which is scary I think. The puppy has so far recovered very well, considering its stress factors eg new home, g/a etc.

We isolated but still have concerns about other patients in at the same time..... but what can you do?

Re: Parvo

Fiona Leathers — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:31:41 GMT

My OH was up all night with a whole litter of 4 week old Labrador puppies with parvo. The breeder doesn't believe in vaccinations - none of her breeding dogs are vaccinated - and in 20 years of breeding has never had parvo (just lucky I guess) Now its doubtful that any of the litter will survive and she'll have a huge bill with no pups to sell to pay for it! Hopefully this will help her to understand the importance of vaccination.

Re: Parvo

Kim Buckley — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:19:14 GMT

We had our first case of parvo in last week. A staffy who was 1 and a half, not vaccinated and owned by total idiots! They rushed the dog in with blood pouring out of it's bum and it was so flat I thought it was dead! They had no money and I don't know how long the dog had been in that state but I've never seen such a bad case of parvo. He died a few hours after being admitted and we put him in the freezer whilst the owner decided what they wanted to do with him.

The receptionist asked me the other day to shave some of the dogs hair off for the owners and that they wanted an individual cremation. Oh and they had told the receptionist that the reason he had got parvo was because he was born with it!! Nothing to do with the fact he wasn't vaccinated! AHHHHHH!

Re: Parvo

Mary Lyle — Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:17:25 GMT

This parvo threat is rather interesting as here in Spain we can have anything up to 16 animals in at any one time all with parvo. It is rife! We have a very high recovery rate / probably due to the amount of experience we have in treating. HOWEVER as you chaps are finding we also have a problem with survival rates in rotties, dobermans and often german shephards.

Sometimes these come in in the early stages but can go down hill within hours.

On ehte vacs side we do parvo at 6 wks, tetradog at 8 and 10 weeks. Are you saying that you administer a further parvo only in addition?

Re: Parvo

chris beasley — Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:29:52 GMT

One of my receptionists owns austrialian shepherds. She gives them all homopathic vaccines. She feels a lot of them have reactions to vaccines and homopathic is a lot cheaper.

I have discussed it with her many times and as long as she does not recommend it to clients I will have to respect her option although I do not agree with it!

Re: Parvo

Nicola Smith — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:31:14 GMT

We had a bad run end of last year start of this year with over 20 cases. The vacinated ones I have seen with it are rotties, staffs and husky. We try to push our clients to go for a 12 rather than 10 week finish on vaccs, but also advise an extra parvo at about 20 weeks but this is optional and not everyone takes us up on it. Don't see that mnay black and tans but loads of staffs. There is only us and 1 other practice locally advising 12 week finish an extra parvo vacc, all other practices are doing 10 week finish on everything and no mention of extra parvo, the vaccinated ones we have seen have all been 10 week finishes from other practices.

Re: Parvo

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 01:09:22 GMT

Charlotte, that is so very sad, I totally feel for you, OMG a 14 yr old........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not that its any easier with young ones, but if you have had a dog for that long then its gotta hurt big time especially if you loose them with a preventable disease.

Hard week all round by all accounts

Re: Parvo

Saskia Quinn — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:46:24 GMT

omg, treating it himself my guess is it was something like betamox or pen strep with a horrible big needle!

I cannot beleive you lost an animal at 14 years old - that is truely terrible, what a way to go when you get to 14!

Re: Parvo

Charlotte says smile — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:35:08 GMT

yeah pup had been like it for 2 days, farm collie had been left for about 4-5days with farmer giving ab left from his cows! he wouldnt tell us what though which wasnt very helpful! and lab x was 14 and never vacc so didnt really do any treatment just pts

Re: Parvo

Saskia Quinn — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:31:13 GMT

aw Charlotte, that is extremely sad that none made it I guess they were quite far gone before they reached you

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Charlotte says smile — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:24:50 GMT

I have only seen parvo once since I began nusing, but this week we had three in! unvaccinated farm collie, a 15week rottie and a lab x. none made it all really really sad! been a very hard week

Re: Parvo

Saskia Quinn — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:23:58 GMT

I am no scientist by any means, but of a lot of the parvo positive cases I have dealt with in the past 5 years, at least 90% of them have been of the black and tan breed

Re: Parvo

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:25:54 GMT

Just a wee bit more ionfo, as now I have read all replies

Black and tan breeds, ie dobbies rots etc, staffs affenpinscher(sp?)

Their immune system is not as well developed as other breeds thus they usually need another vaccine around the 16wk mark, as well as their normal primary vaccinations

AS a Rot owner I knew this, but because of the outbreak I am surprised at the amount of vets who dont know this!! anyway that is by the by.

The vet I spoke to recommends a vaccine at 16 wks for all breeds who are in the list. And also more so if therir are confirmed cases within the area.

I will put up more info later

Re: Parvo

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:19:09 GMT

Have heard this miss Vn, re me having Black and tans, staffs are another breed who dont do well with the vaccines as well as a few others.

I had a brill chat with a vet, who came to our practice and gave me loads of info on the pathogenesis of parvo, tmt's and target breeds etc, very very informative.

Re: Parvo

Claire Cameron — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:34:01 GMT

[quote user="Nick Shackleton"]

Dachshunds get a mention Claire?

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Nopes, just remember rotties and dobies from what I recall

Re: Parvo

Nick Shackleton — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:32:55 GMT

Dachshunds get a mention Claire?

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Claire Cameron — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:20:15 GMT

[quote user="Freckle"]

never heard of that before missvn, but very interesting! if there are hard scientific facts, then i'm sure the partners would listen, as they would benefit! not sure how our clients would feel though, as we have a fair abundance of 'black and tan' breeds round here, and as previously said, we practice in a poor area.

what breeds specifically? rotties, dobies and manchester terriers spring to mind?

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I'll try and dig out the research papers. He just mentioned rotties and dobies but thats probs cos they dont see many manc terriers? dunno? I'll look for the papers x

Re: Parvo

rachel w — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:53:14 GMT

We had one in sat was PTS as went down hill v quickly have had quite a few this yr, I'm in south wales and there has been quite a lot of out breaks in the valleys which then come down the road to us, quite a lot of farm dogs are brought in with it normally after they've got a new puppy