Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Saskia Quinn — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:51:14 GMT

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vets do kc vacc in my practice but most of the time a nurse is required to restrain the animal

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I had to do a role reversal with one of our vets yesterday, did attempt to restrain the dog myself at first but he was just too strong and stressed out - wasn't even a big dog!! So I ended up giving the KC vax - after much fighting between the dog and vet!!

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I know what you mean about the restraining bit lol!! Our vets do try and restrain on occassions, maybe for blood sample, iv catheter, injection in a stroppy dog etc, but it usually ends up in role reversal because compared to us nurses - vets are crap at restraint!!

Who would you prefer to restrain a fractious cat for sampling or anything - vet or nurse?? I know who I would choose

Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Emily Hibbs — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:15:24 GMT

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vets do kc vacc in my practice but most of the time a nurse is required to restrain the animal

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Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:03:18 GMT

Hi Helen, the only difference is, its says either vaccination card or certificate on the front.

Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Saskia Quinn — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 00:09:51 GMT

vets do kc vacc in my practice but most of the time a nurse is required to restrain the animal

Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Helen Freer — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:40:57 GMT

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We can sign cards, as long as it does not say certificate.It has to say vaccination card, rather than vaccination certificate.

A little tip on KC vacc, and I cant remember who told me this but....... if you hold the vaccine in your hands for a min or 2 before drawing it up, it's not so cold going up the nose, and they tolerate it better.

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Today I came across the a second vaccination that had been done by a RVN for the first time. But can anyone tell me the difference between a vaccination card and a vaccination certificate?

Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:00:27 GMT

It is ok to warm it slightly, as you are after all supposed to let it get to room temp before admin anyway, so holding it in the hands for a couple of mins is not going to do it any harm, if anything it will get to room temp quicker.Also you can have it out of the fridge at least 1 hour before giving it, after that you are supposed to dispose of it.

Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Emma Jarratt — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:50:43 GMT

might be worth checking with the manufacturers if its ok to warm it up first though - as my understanding is that the vaccine is activated by the rise in temp when it enters the nasal cavity. Don't know how important it is if it was activated first though. I always just make sure I get them out at the beginning of the consult so there's at least 5 mins before they're given (that goes for any vacc).

The best tip I ever found was covering the dogs eyes - tip head back and up, cover eyes and squirt. That and a sensible owner or competent assistant to restrain.

As for nurses administering vaccs - it's the same as any other POM-V. VN can administer medication, the vet has to prescribe the medication for the patient, and so has to have examined the animal either immediately before prescription, or recently enough so as to have good knowledge of the animal's condition. So it's up to the prescribing vet whether they are happy to prescribe without examining the animal immediately before - ie what 'recently enough' means is open to the vet's interpretation.

Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Nick Shackleton — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:55:00 GMT

top tip one for the VN times

Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:06:51 GMT

We can sign cards, as long as it does not say certificate.It has to say vaccination card, rather than vaccination certificate.

Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Laura Ringsell — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 07:32:28 GMT

I thought the no-no was all about not so much the giving of the vaccine but the signing of the vaccine card and that is the bit we cannot do. In addition in all the practices I have worked the price for the vaccine includes the price of a vet consult and if we were doing it they wouldn't make as much money so it has always been a vet does thing....

Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Sal the 1st — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:15:58 GMT

I have done these in the past , and seconds vacs too so long as the 1st vax was given by a vet and the dog had been examined by vet in the last month. Stopped doing kc vax about two years ago as I was told 2nd vax was ok because the dog had been examined specifically for primary and secondary course of vaccine but that kennel cough vaccine was for a different condition and it was essential that the vet examined prior to giving this ( so was usually done by vet post kennel cough exam in their cons room - which I didnt have a problem with because I hate giving this vaccine anyway). Dont know the legal requirements of this or otherwise - so many differences between practices I think the rules are sometimes made up as they go along?

Re: Nurses stand on KC vacc's

Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:13:43 GMT

I have worked places where the nurses do this, and 2nd vacc.