vet surgeon act review

Re: vet surgeon act review

Anonymous — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:02:48 GMT

Exactly which is why the whole flippin profession needs a good shake up and neither vets or nurses should be self regulating so the whole profession can be 'transparent' and everyone is treated in the same way no matter who you know!

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Sal the 1st — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:37:45 GMT

unscrupulous vets are getting away with all sorts right now

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Anonymous — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:46:00 GMT

Yes we should be able to turn to another organisation for help but as good as it is the BVNA is more like a union and not a governing body. I don't think it matters which dept. of the RCVS deal with complaints VN section or otherwise, it is still the RCVS and in my mind it is still a major conflict of interest!

I appreciate what you are saying but I have never been happy or comfortable with the whole arrangement, it is like nurses and doctors being governed by the same body, lives would be put at risk as nurses would be even more worried about 'blowing the whistle' than they are now. Unfortunately vet nurses will be even more worried about the consiquences of 'blowing the whistle' next year and so I can see it potentally having a serious detremental effect on the profession as unscrupulous vets will be allowed to get away with all sorts!

P.S. sorry to all of the many decent moral vets out there! If you are in that catagory I hope you would agree :-)

Re: vet surgeon act review

Caro Laithwaite VN — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:43:32 GMT

vn council is in charge of vn disciplinary
rcvs is in charge of vets disciplinary

rcvs is in charge of all legal side of the veterinary profession as well things like education, law etc

vn welfare is under bvna (hence the advcie of joining as they have a legal dept)
bva is in charge of vets welfare hence they should join them.

Me l do not trust rcvs but do understand a lot more of what they do since going on meet the rcvs day. I agree we should have someone to turn to but that is ment to be bvna.

Re: vet surgeon act review

Sal the 1st — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:07:18 GMT

good question Stelly and it has been asked many many times before. Like you (and many others) I feel there will be a huge conflict in interests.

Re: vet surgeon act review

Anonymous — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:45:04 GMT

So why, oh why, are nurses still governed by the RCVS? Surely there must be some way of becoming self regulating. I Have always felt it is not in the best interests of the profession to have vets and nurses regulated by the same governing body....who do you think will be favoured if a nurse feels there is an issue that needs addressing with regards to a vets conduct. In my experience the RCVS have take the vets word for gospel and told the nurse to wind her neck in and crawl back under the stone from whence she came!! (rant over) But I am sure all of you can see my point. As soon as problems arise there is not alot we can do!

Re: vet surgeon act review

Mrs Dot Dot — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:31:20 GMT

[quote user="Caro Laithwaite"]

My training place had a HUGE turnover of staff. Best was the recptionist that started in the morning went to lunch and never came back.

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We kinda had someone like that.... receptionist found thru an agency.... part time... 2 afternoons a week... 1st afternoon she turned up 25mins late.... shift was 2-30pm till 6:45pm.....No apology for being late....At her interview I spent quite alot of time explaining about vet recepionist jobs... how much knowlegde you need ... how it's not a 'normal' receptionist job etc etc...She said that she would be fine with everything.... gave her all relevant info to read up on etc......I gave her a lift home at the end of the day as she didn't drive and was dark/ winter etc...... she didn't turn up for next shift... agency lady wasn't plsd with her.... she said that she didn't come back because we didn't offer her a cup of tea!!!!!!

Needless to say since then, her replacement receptionist is an absolute star!

Re: vet surgeon act review

Caro Laithwaite VN — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:22:12 GMT

My training place had a HUGE turnover of staff. Best was the recptionist that started in the morning went to lunch and never came back.

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Mrs Dot Dot — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:13:47 GMT

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No not a large practice at all

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There is a large group of practices, somewhere near me that regularly has en-mass nurse changes!

Re: vet surgeon act review

Nick Shackleton — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:11:49 GMT

No not a large practice at all

Re: vet surgeon act review

Mrs Dot Dot — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 20:09:56 GMT

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Yeah one practice I was at for just over a year and 15 yes 15 people left in the time I was there........

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Wasn't part of a big group, was it? Somewhere near me.......?

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Nick Shackleton — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 19:57:30 GMT

Yeah one practice I was at for just over a year and 15 yes 15 people left in the time I was there........

Re: vet surgeon act review

Laura Ringsell — Tue, 04 Aug 2009 07:39:06 GMT

As usual - well said, well constructed and a good idea.

[quote user="sal the 1st"]

its important to remember that just because 1 person doesnt get on in a practice doesnt mean that somebody else wont. There are practices out there that I hate with a passion and other nurses think they are great and vice versa -

[/quote]Yup i can vouch for that - i have worked in places i loved but others couldn't stand and people moved through and on really quickly - made me wonder if i was missing something!

I have said it before but i think the RCVS should find somewhere in the 5-6 years for some people training - the clients would benefit too....and the same for the nurse colleges - teamwork is so important and some people just don't get it.

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:55:57 GMT

point taken Mrs Dot Dot and I do agree with you but would hate to prejudice a practice just because I dont like it (and there are plenty I dont!) - maybe score of 'nil point' on the stars would be warning enough without having to say a word!

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Mrs Dot Dot — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:30:30 GMT

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I agree with you BUT there are also some practices/vets that should be named and shamed because no-one should work for them!

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:20:08 GMT

would love to do a name and shame - could fill a book BUT its important to remember that just because 1 person doesnt get on in a practice doesnt mean that somebody else wont. There are practices out there that I hate with a passion and other nurses think they are great and vice versa - a lot of the clashes come down to personality (and sometimes lack of!) instead of name calling maybe we could come up with something a bit more constructive. How about something along the lines of the 'Michelin stars' with different categories for different sorts of practices ie a practice may score stars for training (obviously those not training would score zilch) stars for staff retention, stars for qualified staff, and stars for friendly vets and any other category that would be useful but absolutely no personal comments which could be misconstrued / actionable - maybe that would give prospective employees some sort of idea as to what the practice was like?

I agree attitudes need to change - and sometimes that may be from both sides (why cant we all be on the same side now and again? ) - I do find it worrying that some of the recently graduated vets (and dare I say it some recently qual nurses) have an absolutely stinking attitude but I do wonder what makes them that way - is it that some of them are just genetically programmed to be absolute b******s or is it a result of years at vet school/ nurse training. I have worked for some real gits in my time but some of the new batch are really malicious. (bit like the gremlins films but not funny)

It is important that the public do not lose confidence in the veterinary profession - if they do it is ultimately the patients that suffer as they are less likely to be presented for treatment.

Re: vet surgeon act review

Caro Laithwaite VN — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:12:37 GMT

Many years ago l did a name and shame Big A had the screaming heaby jeebies as the person couldnt reply so spoilysport Arlo bounced the post

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Laura Ringsell — Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:58:03 GMT

[quote user="sal the 1st"]

' nurses are like syringes - disposable once used'.

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OOOh get me doing the quoting thing - thank you for the mini tutorial Mrs Dot! Good job that vet doesn't work where I am - we (i use the term loosley) have to re-sterilise syringes for one of the vets - or it would be "nurses are like syringes - dead once autoclaved"

I once suggested that we should have a name and shame place on these forums to be able to warn nurses of possible practices not to walk into without some trepidation but how on earth would we keep it confidential. Some of these places need to learn the hard way that they can't treat their very valuble team like ****

Re: vet surgeon act review

loopylou711 — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:57:07 GMT

I worked with a vet, that when a new student arrived just to make sure she felt welcome would happily tell that nurse all she would be good for was making tea and clean and thats why she was hired. Of course she was laughing so it was all good fun

She also felt the need to "Carry on" with nurses by calling them names and slagging various thing - hair shoes uniform etc!. She knew fine as a trainee that nobody would say anything back. She was also the type who had her little groups and would poison ppl against ppl she didnt lyk!! She outed a few nurses that didn't take her being a bullly cos she was vet. I was just happy it was a short placement, the woman was vile, the sad thing was she was only 30 and with getting away with being a bully, she will just get worse and worse... horrible woman that she was!

Vet nurses need to improve the way students are trained, given the reconition that we deserve and also a pay which matches that! Of course lyk am sure someone has already said there are more "important" issues for the goverment to be worrying themselves with ther than the vet surgeons act!... anywayss rant over :D

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Sal the 1st — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:19:52 GMT

will add this quote from another vet I had the misfortune to work for (large national group of practices) ' nurses are like syringes - disposable once used'. I see the advert regularly in the Vet Times and VN Times looking for new victims - friendly practice with happy staff I think was the way they described themselves on the last ad - yeah right

and no this person isnt old school - they are younger than me

Re: vet surgeon act review

Mrs Dot Dot — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:21:32 GMT

[quote user="Fluffy"]

i don't know how to do that copy and pastething that shows i am replying to your comments but:

Vets were in their 30s and 40s unfortunately - some just out of vet school and it is quite evident that no training is given in vet school to people or management skills,

I was a student at the time and needed my place so I am afraid I sat and stewed - needless to say i moved on as soon as i could

Being as we are two a penny its funny how we can't get a locum for love nor pennies at the moment - I hope she has the same problems should she need a locum!

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Hi...When you click on reply you get the new post box with the previous post above.... to add this post to your reply, click on the red Quote and it will appear in your post box..... if that makes sense! You can also partially delete this quote if you don't want to include all of it in your post!

QVN's/ RVN's are in short supply and the supply will get shorter if the NVQ training isn't changed soon... I can understand you not saying anything at the time... the situation is totally different if you are a student.... whereas when you are a qualified, you are able to stand up for our profession more readily... I do anyway! Rightly or wrongly..................

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Laura Ringsell — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:08:59 GMT

i don't know how to do that copy and pastething that shows i am replying to your comments but:

Vets were in their 30s and 40s unfortunately - some just out of vet school and it is quite evident that no training is given in vet school to people or management skills,

I was a student at the time and needed my place so I am afraid I sat and stewed - needless to say i moved on as soon as i could

Being as we are two a penny its funny how we can't get a locum for love nor pennies at the moment - I hope she has the same problems should she need a locum!

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Maisy — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:09:51 GMT

[quote user="Fluffy"]I too in a staff meeting have heard - "nurses are two a penny, if you don't like what we are telling you to do then leave - there are plenty more out there" - i just love motivation

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Nothing like raising the morale amongst staff Would love the see the response that vet gets to his/her job adverts in the current time, seeing as we're two a penny and all...

Re: vet surgeon act review

Mrs Dot Dot — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:23:47 GMT

[quote user="Fluffy"]

i haven't read the review yet (and giving what you have said I am not sure if i want to) but in my mind until our profession is recognised as a profession we will never be seen as anything other than 'just nurses' or so very accurately put - the bottom end of the toilet. After all, we only stroke animals for a living so why should we matter.......(rant over)

I too in a staff meeting have heard - "nurses are two a penny, if you don't like what we are telling you to do then leave - there are plenty more out there" - i just love motivation

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Incredible!!!!! Such a way with words!!! Why do vets get such a kick out of putting people down like that?!.... were they what I call old-school vets eg in their 50's/60's?

I'm hoping that as these vets leave the profession( I won't say die out!!) then the newer generation of vets, with a more professional attitude, and generally more respect for us and people (and who don't have the 'we are superior', closed-shop attitude) than we will be seen as professionals by them and the RCVS! Until then there will always be this kind of negative, powerbased, arrogant, controlling management!

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Deemus — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:17:38 GMT

Ye gods Fluffy, nothing like motivating your staff and trying to create a peaceful and happy working environment is there?

What was the reaction to that comment? I don't think I would have been able to hold my tongue!