K and U questions argghh!! Any help be great!

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Maisy — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 21:40:46 GMT

We also can't have SVNs act as witnesses for any level. Have been told by our VNAC and also the course provider when I did my A1 training

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Charlotte says smile — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 14:45:32 GMT

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That's not right unless I've been doing it wrong for the last 6 years! Was this the RCVS who sent the portfolio back or the VNAC? Level 3 students can be witness for Level 2 students as they have already passed Level 2 & the RCVS exams.

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It was the VNAC so maybe it was just them. they are a bit OTT with the rules and they do tend to make their own rules up aswell!

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Tammy999 — Sat, 25 Jul 2009 10:17:32 GMT

Hey Cj is a pain isn't it. You can find naturally occuring KU in cases that you have written. So you dont have to write essays. x

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dinkyd — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 21:15:11 GMT

Hi same as Bouncyfi - as long as level 3 svn has level 2 cert then they are allowed to di witness statements for the level 3 svn.An ANA is not allowed to however.I have had portfolios EV'd by RCVS and all was fine.Id be gettin on the phone lol!

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Anonymous — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:31:30 GMT

i have always been told that a level 3 student can not sign stuff, i suppose it deopends on your vnac etc.

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Fiona Leathers — Mon, 20 Jul 2009 23:53:08 GMT

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Charlotte says smile — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:08:33 GMT

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[quote user="Lilypads"]

I don't understand how a receptionist can be a witness but another SVN can't.

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Its because the receptionist is deemed qualified in her role as a receptionist, she has experience in reception and may even be better than some of the nurses who cover reception. I know plenty nurses who quake at the thought of covering reception. She would not be able to sign things off for theatre practice.

As for not having SVNs sign things off, not all SVNs have been in practice for 10 years with a multitude of veterinary experience behind them, so it is only right that no SVN of the equivalant level should not sign off. You can get a Level 3 sign off on Level 2 portfolio, as they are experienced in Level 2 & have the certificate to prove it.

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We have a student whos portfolio came back in jan and level 3 students were not deemed qualified enough to sign anything in her level 2?

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Carly Woodward — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:53:30 GMT

Thank you all so much, some really good ideas that I doubt assessor or I would of thought of!! I will sure be using more witness statements and including more K and U in candidate narratives next year thats for sure.

Wow this site is super helpful :).

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Fiona Leathers — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 09:23:41 GMT

[quote user="Lilypads"]

I don't understand how a receptionist can be a witness but another SVN can't.

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Avril Louise Jackson RVN — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 02:03:02 GMT

For level 3 u now have to have 100% portfolio done b4 u can do pracs which is a pain in ass!! I have 2 assessors; one who is fab and gets it done, one who aint so good who hates being an assessor and clearly shows it. Each are in charge of certain units and the one who hates assessing I feel is holding me back. I have done my level 3 exam written today and wanted to do my pracs in sept but thats gonna be impossible as portfolio not complete.

I feel so fed up with having to rely on other people to get my qualification. If other people can't be arsed what can I do? It's so annoying when i get home from a long day spend ages writing a case up and then it doesn't get marked and cos its not planned i have to do planning sheets too!

I think work:college ratio based learning is good but assessment is bad. Portfolio is a big pile of ridiculous muck!!! I hate it!!

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Avril Louise Jackson RVN — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:44:32 GMT

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[quote user="CJ W"]Havent used any witness statements hardly as no one seems to want to write them - v busy small practice no one has time![/quote]

The witness doesn't have to do much writing! You can write it up as a candidate narrative - the witness statement then has to simply say that it happened as you desribed. Will take them no time at all but it means you will be able to cover things that you did which someone other than your assessor observed. Certainly useful for many of the things that have to 'just happen' and can't be planned. Just make sure your witness is suitably 'qualified' to witness you - ie a QVN/experienced receptionist/assistant vet. Another student or ANA won't suffice.

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I don't understand how a receptionist can be a witness but another SVN can't. Some SVNs have been veterinary nursing for years and years and are doing their training in accordance with their practice deciding to become a TP ot tier accredited. I don't see how a receptionist can be an expert witness over someone who is now studying to be qualified RVN with 10 years experience vet nursing albeit without post nominal letters?!

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Avril Louise Jackson RVN — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 01:39:11 GMT

Use MP3 recording on MP3 player. your assessor asks u the questions and u give answers. Some of k&u questions the answers could go on for EVER!! You could write an essay on one simple k&u criterion! All that matters is that your assessor is satisfied you are aware and capable in fulfilling that particular k&u. It's all a load of crap really!! It's recording what u can do and that you've planned you can do it, you did it and then you evaluated it!!! I'm sorry I'm in a very negative mood, just done my level 3 exam :/ didn't like it!!!

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Gillian Mostyn — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 20:26:29 GMT

[quote user="CJ W"]Havent used any witness statements hardly as no one seems to want to write them - v busy small practice no one has time![/quote]

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Viking Dog1 — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 18:06:53 GMT

Hi Cj

You could also record an oral discussion so your assesso is asking the questions and you answering, much quicker than writing them all down, also as the others sugest photos are a quick way of covering them too.

Jen x

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Carly Woodward — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:35:11 GMT

Thanks Gillian again good ideas - I never thought of using a photo for K and U questions what a brilliant idea. I seem to have loads to write and don't know which bits I can cut out while still answering the question so tend to go on for ages!

Yes will certainly be doing as go along next year.. cant be doing with this stress would love to be all organised. This is assessors first go too so we learning as we go along.

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Carly Woodward — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:30:58 GMT

OOh thats a good idea, could sneak a few in. Yes will ask assessor about observed assessment - he gone away for 10 day so im in a bit of a panic all round about getting it done! Havent used any witness statements hardly as no one seems to want to write them - v busy small practice no one has time!

Thank you for your suggestions will keep you posted whether it does get completed in time or not! x

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Gillian Mostyn — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:23:41 GMT

Don't feel you have to write them in a long essay - bullet points will do, as will photos (for restraint ones etc.)

For my student's gaps in K+U (and there are usually only a few if you do them as you go along - as you said, something to aim for next year) I just sit down with them and do them as oral questions, so I can write down their answers very quickly and easily - and I don't get judged on my neatness etc!!!!

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Anonymous — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:10:17 GMT

you can keep doing what you are doing. can you not add some k/u in to the cases that you have done already. naughty but you could do it and add to tracking sheet.

your assesser can do observed assessment and put them in to them and she/he can write assessor statment covering them. you can get witness statments to cover them as well.

let us know how u get on x x x