Nervous about rabbit spey

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Alana Dent — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:57:14 GMT

Just remember pre and post oxygenate, and keep the little one toasty-not too toasty tho. Monitor temp through out as hyperthermia is just as much a risk as hypothermia.

Adequate pain-relief should also help reduce the amount of iso needed

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LoveCat — Sun, 25 Oct 2009 11:24:16 GMT

My little girl was not given anything when she was spayed I had only just started in practice and did not think about it. She did well though - no problems. But when my little boy was done about a year later we gave him subcut fluids and he recovered remarkably quickly. Obviuosly it's a less invasive procedure but I think the fluids must have helped him too.

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Julie — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:57:39 GMT

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Ha - turns out she needed a castration instead!!! She was a little he - picked her up one day and she had big balls!!!! So HE was castrated a month ago now. Bless

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That made me laugh but glad he is ok as I know you were really worried

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Maisy — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:28:30 GMT

All would get subcut fluids, or ivft if non-routine procedures/compromised patients. Really though metoclopramide isn't essential as a routine drug, especially after neutering unless the op was lengthy/lots of gut handling intraoperatively.

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Freckle — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:23:26 GMT

What do you guys do with respect to fluid therapy in bunnies during GA?

I have seen it all! From none, thru subcut, to IVFT

In my experience the IVFT ones do best, despite the anaesthetic protocal.

Tho, to be honest, the vets who give IVFT are the same ones that are well up on pre, during and post op normothermia, and will give metaclop and want bunnies to eat asap post op..

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Anonymous — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 21:07:01 GMT

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Ha - turns out she needed a castration instead!!! She was a little he - picked her up one day and she had big balls!!!! So HE was castrated a month ago now. Bless

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HA! Thats great - happens so often with bunnies! I got my female first and really wanted a little boy to go with her - luckily I got him from a vet so I got no nasty suprises! Glad that all went well! x

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Yeah the poor little boy was well confused - at first we were told that he was a boy then on two separate occassions we were told by two different vets that he was a girl. Bless

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LoveCat — Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:58:49 GMT

[quote user="Button"]

Ha - turns out she needed a castration instead!!! She was a little he - picked her up one day and she had big balls!!!! So HE was castrated a month ago now. Bless

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Anonymous — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:11:01 GMT

Thanks LoveCat.

Ha - turns out she needed a castration instead!!! She was a little he - picked her up one day and she had big balls!!!! So HE was castrated a month ago now. Bless

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LoveCat — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:44:19 GMT

Hi Button, Just thought I'd let you know about my experience when I had my little rabbit spayed as I was quite worried too! Everything was absolutely fine - although I did get another nurse to do the anaesthetic and I actually went on my lunch break while it was done! I found that worked best for me as I was not flapping around the practice getting in the way! I just got back from lunch and she was waking up and I could do all the nice stuff like cuddles and feeding! Not sure what your situation is but if you can get a vet you really trust to do it that will help too.

Good luck - I'm sure your little girl will be fine like mine was. xxx

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Kiwi_Em — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:02:53 GMT

hey siobhan, are you meaning putting the glove over a cut off 20 ml syringe to make a mask?? just cant visualise what u mean and how you'd attach to circuit : )

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Kiwi_Em — Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:59:52 GMT

wow, saskia.. can you elaborate on this technique??

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Kim Buckley — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 22:47:22 GMT

We use sevo and o2 for our bunnies to and it works really well. They wake up really quickly and are soon back to normal and eating. We do the occasional dental under injectable combinations and they seem to take forever to wake up compared to using gas alone. Also subcut sutures are the way forward! We do several rabbits spays a week and never seen any problems

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Emma Daw — Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:55:35 GMT

Anaesthetising rabbits with sevo and o2 , then maintaining on iso/o2 works very well. I feel its much safer than any injectable combinations as you can bring them around much quicker than when you have to reverse. Also subcut sutures with 3/0 vicryl and then applying tissue glue on top does the job and saves you worrying about the sutures being pulled out. Syringe feeding with Oxbow Critical care or the like is also a great way to get their guts moving again - best to start as soon as they are up on their feet and hopping around sensibly :)

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jan — Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:01:02 GMT

Who is doing her? do they have experience with bunnies.

We do lots of rescue work & have a bunny interested vet so we do a few (5 spays a day ish)

Don't be afraid to be "disloyal' if you think someone else may give her better care. On the plus side I cant remember the last time we lost a bunn during, or post op.

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:16:56 GMT

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Sandra if your gonna add your two pennies worth in at least use proper english!

It's I have SEEN not I have saw!!!

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Picky Nicky

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Fiona Leathers — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:44:23 GMT

You'd be surprised how much better rabbits recover if they've been in overnight. The other option is to make sure she had a blanket in her cage for a few days before the surgery & ask for the blanket to go with her into the kennels.

I would put mine in overnight, if I had any!!

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Anonymous — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:20:19 GMT

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I would advise putting your bunny into the surgery the day before to let them adjust to the smells & sounds, that way they can be monitored for eating & poos & if necessary she could be syringe fed to ensure her gut keeps turning over, plenty of analgesics & tasty treats for post op

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There's an idea. I might if I'm able to. She'd hate that though

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Fiona Leathers — Mon, 13 Jul 2009 11:42:49 GMT

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Siobhan Steven — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 13:00:16 GMT

We don't do skin sutures, these tend to be the one's that cause irritation. We don't do them on any Sx. Seems to work OK, no wound break down or infection and we don't give AB's for desexings, cat, dog or bunny. Sufficiant analgesia is a priority...

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Nick Shackleton — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:59:26 GMT

Sandra if your gonna add your two pennies worth in at least use proper english!

It's I have SEEN not I have saw!!!

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Anonymous — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:23:27 GMT

Thanks guys - you've made me feel better. I know I'll be feeling sick as it approaches though but that's part of being a mum.... well a bunny mum :D

Got a feeling if any bunny is going to have a go at their stitches it'll be her though as she's hyper! I read somewhere that females tend to pull them out - OUCH.

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Faye Sewell — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 10:50:01 GMT

We mask ours down with iso then tube them. I had mine spayed about 9 months ago and she was fine, I always do my own ga's on my pets but know some people cant. I sure she wil be fine!.

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Siobhan Steven — Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:19:42 GMT

You can use a thinner than the et tube catheter as a stylet, pass it down the trachea, feed the et tube over it and remove the catheter back up through he et tube. Does that make sense? Not being condescending, just I'm a visual person and can't describe things well! I use the mask/IV combo, cut a examanation glove down and put it over a suitably small mask and over bunnies head, ceck its not thight around bunnies neck, this creates a better seal. No sleepy vet/vet nurse and better maintainence. I did an external fixator GA on a bunny this way a few weeks ago. No dramas, just didn't leave bunnies side for a second! And don't place an E collar after Sx, bunny can't eat its pooh! (Had to tell my vet that when he suggested we mayneed to fit one.) And I offer bunnies 'Nutri gel', something sweet and yummy as sson as they open thier eyes, gut stasis so important. You probably know all this anyway!

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:43:02 GMT

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yes, so long as the mask is right at the face, she should be fine. She should be supplemented on O2 throughout the procedure and given inhalation anaesthesia - isoflurane if necessary.

I have also worked with a vet that placed an iv catheter into the nostrils - with the metal stylet removed of course and was able to attach to a t-piece that way. It was a fantastic alternative to endo-tracheal intubation!

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I have saw a feeding tube used in this way, fed down the nostril and attached to a t piece, you remove the end bit from the ET tube and attach to the end of the feeding tube,this is also a good technique for any animal with injuries to the mouth and access being difficult and possibly cause more damage (ie fractures to the jaw etc, or seperation of the symphasis. Have saw this performed in Emergency and critical care, I thought it was a fab idea.

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Saskia Quinn — Sat, 11 Jul 2009 20:23:29 GMT

yes, so long as the mask is right at the face, she should be fine. She should be supplemented on O2 throughout the procedure and given inhalation anaesthesia - isoflurane if necessary.