Loss of city and guilds - any comments

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jenni99 — Sat, 02 Apr 2022 19:40:53 GMT

:) Indeed for the EPA - your collage and the vetskill zoom meetings are OK for EPA

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Lauren Waring — Tue, 29 Mar 2022 09:37:10 GMT

I'm an old city and guilds student and changed over to Vet Skills to complete my OSCE's this year. So far I can't fault it! Lots and lots of guidance given!

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jenni99 — Sat, 19 Mar 2022 21:39:06 GMT

"The VetSKill qualification is more current and is a more blended approach, allowing your student more opportunity to develop" Not in my experience. Bits of the syllabus are old fashioned

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Nick Shackleton — Wed, 02 Mar 2022 22:06:08 GMT

blending learning is a mixture of classroom based lessons and distance learning

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jenny harrington — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 12:10:02 GMT

I know this is an old post but could I ask what you mean by "more blended approach" Im really struggling with the Central Qualification so looking to transfer onto Vet Skills course

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Sal the 1st — Wed, 15 Jul 2020 03:19:06 GMT

[quote userid="60272" url="~/001/nonclinical/f/life-in-veterinary-practice/31898/loss-of-city-and-guilds---any-comments/176187"]My opinion's probably controversial. I only see negatives in having multiple routes for qualification. I don't think that means it should be degree route only - that would be a huge barrier to entry for most people, not because they aren't smart or academic enough, but because it's unnecessary, staggeringly expensive, and would totally prevent people from pursuing vet nursing as a career change after already doing another degree. I think introducing the FdSc route in the first place was a huge mistake. It would have been better for everyone if they'd introduced a top up degree as an optional post diploma qualification, and built on it from there.[/quote]

agreed

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Cyonica — Tue, 07 Jul 2020 17:19:01 GMT

My opinion's probably controversial. I only see negatives in having multiple routes for qualification. I don't think that means it should be degree route only - that would be a huge barrier to entry for most people, not because they aren't smart or academic enough, but because it's unnecessary, staggeringly expensive, and would totally prevent people from pursuing vet nursing as a career change after already doing another degree. I think introducing the FdSc route in the first place was a huge mistake. It would have been better for everyone if they'd introduced a top up degree as an optional post diploma qualification, and built on it from there.

That being said, it is true that diploma opportunities are like hens' teeth. They would be more abundant if the uni route didn't exist as those students are also used to fill staffing gaps, and since they are free and abundant and not bound by a permanent contract they may be more desirable in certain situations than paid diploma students (I could be wrong, but I think that practices have to keep training students to remain training practices). I do think that giving RVNs real professional status and responsibility and stopping lay people from doing RVN tasks such as anaesthetic monitoring would help, as it would make it harder for practices to use lay staff as cheap replacement for nurses, and would hopefully increase our value so that they are more inclined to put people into training.

I don't have much to say on different exam boards and course providers. As long as the course delivery is comparable and the same qualification is achieved within the same time frame, and no route gives anyone an advantage or disadvantage over the other, then I have no problem with it. I'm interested to learn about VetSkill's portfolio approach, but haven't had the training for it yet as it's not been available.

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Sal the 1st — Thu, 23 Jan 2020 20:26:45 GMT

[quote user="Alison Clare Hickman"]

melanie foster

Melanie, I think you have hit the proverbial nail plumb centre on it's head... and you are HIGHLY qualified to speak, being in this exact position yourself.

[quote user="Melanie Foster"]Nursing is not a high paid job and therefore not sustainable for people to be paying large university fees to qualify.[/quote]

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this is exactly what I was driving at - and also as a secondary concern that there will decent nursing staff out there who just don't fit in with the academia. With the shortage we have what are we actually doing right now to address the problem? what have we done for at least the last two decades apart from 'grow' the problem?

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Alison Clare Hickman — Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:48:47 GMT

melanie foster

Melanie, I think you have hit the proverbial nail plumb centre on it's head... and you are HIGHLY qualified to speak, being in this exact position yourself.

[quote user="Melanie Foster"]Nursing is not a high paid job and therefore not sustainable for people to be paying large university fees to qualify.[/quote]

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Melanie Foster — Thu, 23 Jan 2020 13:32:52 GMT

I think if they are heading down the degree route only this would be a shame and as someone who did the degree I didn't think it was the best way for me. It has changed a lot though since. My main concern would be how people would fund it. My course was 4 years, I had mainly student loans. I still have about 20,000 to pay back which is increasing in interest every year. This is going to be impossible to pay back especially now...having had two children and working part-time. The moral of what I'm trying to say is...Nursing is not a high paid job and therefore not sustainable for people to be paying large university fees to qualify. This is just my opinion, and maybe not well informed.

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Sal the 1st — Wed, 22 Jan 2020 19:34:31 GMT

[quote user="Gee Jay Pee"]

In my opinion, the biggest disadvantage for people entering the profession appears to be the number of practices willing to provide training.

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agreed - so when are we going to get round to seriously asking the question what stops the practices engaging in training and what can be done to make the training more practice friendly?

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Gee Jay Pee — Wed, 22 Jan 2020 18:32:49 GMT

For a while there has only been two providers of the level three diploma City & Guilds or Central Qualifications. Last year a third awarding organisation, also RCVS approved started awarding vet nursing too; VetSkill. The VetSKill qualification is more current and is a more blended approach, allowing your student more opportunity to develop and including SQP... its a more logical programme from my experience.

With City & Guilds bowing out, it leaves us with two awarding bodies for the level three. We'll be okay. In my opinion, the biggest disadvantage for people entering the profession appears to be the number of practices willing to provide training.

Hope this helps, https://www.vetskill.com/courses/veterinary-nursing-level-3-diploma/

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 21:06:35 GMT

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it will push out so many potential nurses,

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it will and vet nursing will be the poorer for it,

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Selena Carnell — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 19:36:24 GMT

i did wonder if they are trying to push it to degree route only, it will push out so many potential nurses, i was lucky to be on of the last green book, and also block release which wasn't too expensive to fund, but now i would be totally stuffed.

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Sal the 1st — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 19:32:21 GMT

well its one way of reducing the options for qualification - won't be long before the only route is a degree - thats my thoughts, and when that happens vet nursing is totally screwed