at last! (electric dog collars banned)

RE: at last! (electric dog collars banned)

Alison Clare Hickman — Thu, 30 Aug 2018 14:54:16 GMT

[quote user="Sal the 1st"]the kickback dislocated his already damaged shoulder. He has never lived it down even 30+ years later - my lesson for that day was never go shooting with Mr Health and Safety again (that was his day job believe it or not!). [/quote]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahah!!! Oh dear!

RE: at last! (electric dog collars banned)

Sal the 1st — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 20:15:53 GMT

[quote user="apache"]

I don't agree with them being freely available, but I am supportive of their use in very specific circumstances.

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and that is the problem - they have been too freely available, to a whole load of people who should never have had access to them, they haven't always been used for the right reasons - so now the only way they can be 'regulated' is a blanket ban

RE: at last! (electric dog collars banned)

Sal the 1st — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 20:05:52 GMT

[quote user="Alison Clare Hickman"]

I've been zapped by a ring fence - cor lummee it made my teeth zing-a-zig-zag and I ached all over for a good few hours. Not as bad as the time I stuck a screwdriver into an electric socket and was thrown across the room (don't ask - but I defo learned a lesson THAT day!). So, I can say at first hand that ANY electric shock/zap is horrible to have and definitely marks one's psyche for life.

I know that people do use ring-fencing to control/marshal horses and live-stock - you see those dastardly white tapes everywhere... I think it's nasty.

One word to describe the practice - AVOID

Ali h

(edited as my first post read that you should avoid ME... hahahahah. Then again.... )

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In the days when I used to shoot I can remember one gallant gentleman attempting to push down some sheep netting with the barrel so I could step over it without getting zapped ( you don't go traipsing across a bloody field with a loaded gun or barrel that isn't broken or point it anywhere that isn't upwards or away from anything you don't want to shoot- you just don't!!! )..... the kickback dislocated his already damaged shoulder. He has never lived it down even 30+ years later - my lesson for that day was never go shooting with Mr Health and Safety again (that was his day job believe it or not!).

RE: at last! (electric dog collars banned)

Sal the 1st — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:32:43 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

[quote user="Sal the 1st"]having seen one dog with damage to its neck that was so bad it required extensive debride and a skin graft[/quote]

Struggle to understand how that could be caused by the collar itself, as the voltage is not high enough to burn ... unless it was caused by the dog trying to get the collar off?? Was it that?

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nope look up pressure necrosis with these collars

RE: at last! (electric dog collars banned)

Robyn — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:40:27 GMT

GOOD.

The benefits never outweigh their use. If we've reached the stage where it's a shock collar or PTS, then I don't see how torturing and terrifying a dog into doing the 'right' thing is more ethical than euthanasia. Being dead is not a welfare concern, being alive is.

RE: at last! (electric dog collars banned)

Alison Clare Hickman — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 09:00:29 GMT

I know that people do use ring-fencing to control/marshal horses and live-stock - you see those dastardly white tapes everywhere... I think it's nasty.

One word to describe the practice - AVOID

Ali h

(edited as my first post read that you should avoid ME... hahahahah. Then again.... )

RE: at last! (electric dog collars banned)

Arlo Guthrie — Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:52:57 GMT

[quote user="Sal the 1st"]having seen one dog with damage to its neck that was so bad it required extensive debride and a skin graft[/quote]

Struggle to understand how that could be caused by the collar itself, as the voltage is not high enough to burn ... unless it was caused by the dog trying to get the collar off?? Was it that?

RE: at last! (electric dog collars banned)

Sal the 1st — Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:31:21 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

I see it's only remote controlled shock collars that have been banned, not 'invisible fences'.

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to me its just the collars that needed banning - having seen one dog with damage to its neck that was so bad it required extensive debride and a skin graft and another dog that was so neck shy after a shock collar had been used ( by a dog trainer I will add) it ended up being destroyed - if you went anywhere near this dogs head or neck it would attack, it was terrified - not just a growl and a nip, I'm talking hospitalisation and sutures.

RE: at last! (electric dog collars banned)

Arlo Guthrie — Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:58:01 GMT

apache - after reading about this in more detail and writing it up (https://www.vetnurse.co.uk/b/veterinary-nursing-news/archive/2018/08/28/government-bans-electric-shock-collars-in-england.aspx), I see it's only remote controlled shock collars that have been banned, not 'invisible fences'.

That seems to make much more sense to me. I'm trying to think of a situation where an invisible fence would not be a better solution than a remote controlled zapper. Can you think of one?

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Arlo Guthrie — Tue, 28 Aug 2018 13:17:19 GMT

[quote user="apache"]Mixed views. I know personally of at least 3 dogs that are alive because electric collars were used properly and as a last resort. I don't agree with them being freely available, but I am supportive of their use in very specific circumstances.[/quote]

I think I'm inclined to agree, but I suppose the proof will be in the pudding ... whether there is now an increase in cases of dogs having to be put down because they're killing sheep (at a level which outweighs the improvement in welfare by making collars illegal).

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apache — Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:35:53 GMT

Mixed views. I know personally of at least 3 dogs that are alive because electric collars were used properly and as a last resort. I don't agree with them being freely available, but I am supportive of their use in very specific circumstances.