Vets as clinical coaches?

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

Jo Mackenzie — Mon, 18 Jun 2018 00:16:44 GMT

I did the old-style portfolio and had an RVN as my assessor for one year and a vet for the other. Both had very different perspectives and approaches towards nursing care, but one wasn't necessarily better than the other. As said above, some vets make good coaches, some don't, but the same can definitely be said of RVNs too! I think the most important thing is not whether the CC is a vet or a nurse, but that they have a genuine interest in the student's training and development and are willing to read up on any areas where their own knowledge may be lacking.

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

James Colver Cert. Ed, RVN — Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:37:04 GMT

..and my assessor was the practice principal!

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

James Colver Cert. Ed, RVN — Wed, 13 Jun 2018 02:22:41 GMT

My Wife's a vet and used to be a clinical coach for one student who now works for Fitzpatrick's oncology department. If vets don't know which anaesthetic circuit is appropriate or how to assemble it, or what a particular nursing model involves they are more than capable of finding that information out.

As for the question of time, even if a vet can't be a CC due to time constraints, it's still good for the student (and probably the vet) for them to get involved. It only takes seconds to read and sign a witness statement and provide a bit of verbal feedback for the task.

My one and only lecturer at college was (and still is) a vet (Julie at MYF) and has been conking out generations of outstanding nurses for many years.

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

Steph Worsley — Fri, 08 Jun 2018 23:07:25 GMT

Way back when I was doing the portfolio in one practice I had one of the senior vets as my assessor, I have to say he was excellent he pushed me more than I think the nurses would have done to get the best out of me, I had an excellent working relationship with him and he was a massive support to me.

So my opinion is yes vets can and do make good clinical coaches, are all vets good clinical coaches...no but then again not all nurses are good clinical coaches.....helps to have a combination and good in put from all members of the team

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

Meow1950 — Fri, 08 Jun 2018 17:06:12 GMT

Good chat on this post :)

Agree that a vet has important input, especially because in most practices you’re mainly working with the vet.

I know vets who are both good and bad clinical coaches and same for nurses. I suppose it’s just down to the individual?

Also, I guess in an ideal world the whole practice should be supporting someone’s training.

Only thing I will say about vet clinical coaches though is definitely the time constraints seem to be an issue, which impacts their ability to support the student. Although depending on the practice you could say the same for nurses!

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

Sal the 1st — Fri, 08 Jun 2018 14:21:44 GMT

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My wife is the clinical coach and I spend quite a bit of time supporting our SVN.

I'm not a pet vet and I know my circuit factors, what the anaesthetic monitors mean and how to bandage a leg.

I've learnt a heap of stuff from our SVN andI've helped her.

She will be an amazing nurse (just OSCE's to go).

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and that is how it should be in my book - nurses and vets can learn from each other and that is what makes a well rounded team. I was vet taught when I first started - and alongside that which I learnt at college I feel it gave me a definite advantage.

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

Alison Clare Hickman — Fri, 08 Jun 2018 06:39:37 GMT

I've said it before apache

I'd love to work at your practice... sounds peachy fine to me!!!

#symbiosis #team #everyoneneedsthis

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

apache — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 23:51:33 GMT

My wife is the clinical coach and I spend quite a bit of time supporting our SVN.

I'm not a pet vet and I know my circuit factors, what the anaesthetic monitors mean and how to bandage a leg.

I've learnt a heap of stuff from our SVN andI've helped her.

She will be an amazing nurse (just OSCE's to go).

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

Alison Clare Hickman — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 17:37:55 GMT

I had a vet as a clinical coach. Thoroughly enjoyed ourselves we did. I relished the different view point and we both learned together about nursing as well. I did exactly what

Sal the 1st

details! Worked for me. Worked for the practice. And. Still great mates with the vet 10 years later and mutliple moves around the countryside for both of us!!I

I recommend it.

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

WelshyNurse — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 15:06:29 GMT

Our vets are flat out all day every day and know I couldn’t spare them, not enough for what a student needs.

I agree with what you say though, they should play a part. It’s just not practical (for my place anywa)

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

Sal the 1st — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 14:57:25 GMT

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Hmm. Can any practice really spare a vet so have the time to be a good clinical coach? I know we couldn’t

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as a full time thing not a chance but a student can have more than one clinical coach unless i'm mistaken. I still feel the vets have an important part to play though in the future of veterinary nursing

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

WelshyNurse — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 13:33:56 GMT

Hmm. Can any practice really spare a vet so have the time to be a good clinical coach? I know we couldn’t

RE: Vets as clinical coaches?

Sal the 1st — Thu, 07 Jun 2018 12:31:19 GMT

Interesting thought, but on the flip side if nurses are taught, even in part, by vets wouldn't it produce nurses that are more in line with what a vet requires of their nurse? I think you have to have some vet involvement in training otherwise I think trainee nurses miss out and I think it does help to 'integrate' (if that is the right word?) vets and nurses as a team rather than seeing them as two entirely different jobs working in isolation. My feelings are if you are only taught by nurses you will only ever see the job from the nurses perspective - and sometimes it is useful to be able to take in a panoramic rather than blinkered view

For this reason I find the thought of this a little bit scary

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Would the next generation of nurses be better if they were only trained by RVNs?

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