Spey & Castrating

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Sarah Cahill — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:36:45 GMT

Yeah they were glued too!, he was a nightmare patient! Very cute though!

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Anonymous — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 22:57:11 GMT

[quote user="Sarah Dryden"]

Yeah these were subcuts!!!!! Still got 3 out!

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were they glued?

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Sarah Cahill — Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:24:36 GMT

Yeah these were subcuts!!!!! Still got 3 out!

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Kim Buckley — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:00:32 GMT

[quote user="Sarah Dryden"]

Hi, oh don't worry we made sure the rabbit could eat!!!!!! Also left him without the buster and he took out 3 sutures........

I'll find out exactly what it was we used, can't remember off hand - it was 10pm on Friday night and my brain was a bit fried!!

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Subcut sutures are the way forward with small furries.

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Sarah Cahill — Tue, 30 Jun 2009 22:30:41 GMT

Hi, oh don't worry we made sure the rabbit could eat!!!!!! Also left him without the buster and he took out 3 sutures........

I'll find out exactly what it was we used, can't remember off hand - it was 10pm on Friday night and my brain was a bit fried!!

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zoeg — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 19:35:50 GMT

Use dom/ket and reversal with antisedan... we also give sub cut fluid but i have to say i prefer putting and iV catheter in to the ear and giving the fluids that way... we also give pain relief obviously LOL and metoclopramide to maintain good gut motility... its preference whether you give it pre-emptively or post op... there are reasons for both....

Hypnorm is ok... i haven't used it for years and when i did never had a problem but I have heard that people found it kills a lot of bunnies....

So far low dose dom and ket my fav by far...

On a note of exotic.. if you anaesthtetise chinchilla i would recommended steering clear of ACP... crikey it takes them hours to wake up lol... just a random comment i know lol

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Ellie P — Sun, 28 Jun 2009 15:10:19 GMT

[quote user="SaskiaVN"]

[quote user="Sarah Dryden"]

On another note entirely...........one of our vets is doing his certificate in exotics just now and we used a different anaesthetic protocol for the first time last night, was soooooooo much better! Asleep in <10 seconds, didn't require iso and awake within 20 seconds after reversing. Also eating within a few mins! Very impressed!!!......shame the little pest keeps getting his buster collar off to have a go at his sutures!!

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I have a grave concern regarding this post Sarah. Buster collars must not be used in rabbits as it prevents them eating their caecotrophs. These are essential to the health of the rabbit. Are you 100% sure it is his sutures he is trying to eat or the caecotrophs?

I suggest you need to get the collar of the bunny asap or you will be faced with a very ill rabbit.

I am surprised that your vets doing his certificate in exotics did not know that!

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Hi im just wondering if any one can tell me a bit more about bunny health as i wrk in a one vet practice and our vet is severly allergic to the furries!!!

thanks

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Saskia Quinn — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 22:21:48 GMT

[quote user="Sarah Dryden"]

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I suggest you need to get the collar of the bunny asap or you will be faced with a very ill rabbit.

I am surprised that your vets doing his certificate in exotics did not know that!

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Cat Woman — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:02:18 GMT

[quote user="Sarah Dryden"]we used a different anaesthetic protocol for the first time last night, was soooooooo much better![/quote]

Would be interested to know more about this too. Have used hypnorm in the past, but now use dom/ket subcut & intubeate to provide oxygen (& iso if required). Then reversed with antisedan. Have never had any problems with this combination, but always glad to learn of anything new.

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Emma Purnell — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:24:57 GMT

Would love to know what combination was used, I would love to improve our current bunny protocol in practice!

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Sarah Cahill — Sat, 27 Jun 2009 09:41:09 GMT

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zoeg — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:27:59 GMT

OMG... i sometime wonder if vets actually realise that the more that they re-intubate rabbits the more likely they cause damage and then its even harder to place the tube: and then they wonder why they have poor recovery rate and slow eaters...

I am proud to say (without jinxing myself) that I have a 95% success rate for tubing rabbits... it really annoys the vets lol.... sorry.... i strongly believe rabbits should be tube... lets face it if its difficult when they are alive... not so good when they are dead!!!!.

Tapping the chest... hmmm ok. i went on an excellent anaesthetic course and compressing the chest is not good as it causes silent regurgitation and the natural line to follow for the stomach contents is to follow the tube back into the lungs!!!... mirror is a good idea but also if to allow then to breath on the black rubber make, you get a great condensation pattern.... also good placement... you will see the bag move.....

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Anonymous — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:57:49 GMT

[quote user="Cat Woman"]

?How did we get to tubing rabbits from spays/castrate!!

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I was thinking that! Can't say I'm looking forward to the day that my poor bunny has his op

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Cat Woman — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 21:11:03 GMT

[quote user="Maisy"] Depending on your premed, and the vet not wanting to be outdone by an ET tube, prolonged trying can cause nasty cyanosis in a lot of bunnies.[/quote]

That is what I understood too. At a rabbit dental CPD, we were told that only 2-3 attempts should be made at tubing rabbits.

?How did we get to tubing rabbits from spays/castrate!!

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:21:19 GMT

[quote user="xxserahxx"]

Our vets been at the practice 34 years.. hes good with rabbit ops.. he puts the tube in n then holds a small mirror at the end to see the breath to check if its in ok.. :)

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you can do the same with the fur, just pinch a bit out, tap on the chest.....holding the tube sideways of course or you will get breath from the front of the mouth....... anyway if the fur moves then your in.

All the vets i work with do it, in fact if they cant when the come they can after a few tries, as we dont do bunnies unless they are tubed.

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Anonymous — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 20:17:50 GMT

[quote user="SaskiaVN"]

[quote user="james colver"]

Speying means to remove the testicles, and castrating is removal of the uturus and overies.

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James I fear you have got this the wrong way around

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LOL

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Maisy — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:37:43 GMT

Often it is easier (sometimes!) to intubate bunnies using the blind method, in that you listen to the sounds, rather than visually placing it. Depending on your premed, and the vet not wanting to be outdone by an ET tube, prolonged trying can cause nasty cyanosis in a lot of bunnies.

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Kerry Spain — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:32:50 GMT

[quote user="james colver"]

Speying means to remove the testicles, and castrating is removal of the uturus and overies.

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xxserahxx — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:58:21 GMT

Our vets been at the practice 34 years.. hes good with rabbit ops.. he puts the tube in n then holds a small mirror at the end to see the breath to check if its in ok.. :)

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Heather Christie — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:56:19 GMT

Yeah i heard it was supposed to be difficult.The vet i observed had only just qualified and wanted to try it out, i guess. The tube went in ok but it must've went into the oesophagus cuz the vet kept tapping his chest, listening with the stethoscope and then taking it out and trying to reinsert it. The poor bunny prob had a really sore throat afterwards.

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Saskia Quinn — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:50:29 GMT

Endotracheal intubation is extremely difficult to achieve in rabbits. Not a great number of vets can master it I'm afraid!

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Heather Christie — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 14:43:23 GMT

Spaying is what they fo to females and castration is what they do to males. I remember watching a male bunny being castrated, it was so weird. It looked totally different to what i thought it would. The vet spend ages trying to get a tube down it's throat (for the anaesthetic) before relenting and getting out the mask. Then the testicles, once out of the scrotum, looked kind of tubular instead of little balls like i'd imagined they would have been.

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Mac Feather — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:53:29 GMT

[quote user="Vicky C"]

[quote user="SaskiaVN"]

[quote user="james colver"]

Speying means to remove the testicles, and castrating is removal of the uturus and overies.

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James I fear you have got this the wrong way around

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Hehe i hope so! James, your profile says you are -1 years old lol!

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Well I read the post by James and didnt notice anything wrong! I will put it down to the Monday blues or something!!!!!!!! Help!

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Vicky RVN — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:45:46 GMT

[quote user="SaskiaVN"]

[quote user="james colver"]

Speying means to remove the testicles, and castrating is removal of the uturus and overies.

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James I fear you have got this the wrong way around

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Hehe i hope so! James, your profile says you are -1 years old lol!

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Saskia Quinn — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 12:42:17 GMT

[quote user="james colver"]

Speying means to remove the testicles, and castrating is removal of the uturus and overies.

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James I fear you have got this the wrong way around