wages whilst training query :)

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WelshyNurse — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:49:08 GMT

I didnt mean lower than RVN wage.

Students i worked with were on the equivalent of minimum wage

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Clawedjird — Thu, 28 Jan 2016 00:06:21 GMT

3 days a week is considered a full time course for some colleges as they add a 4 th day too the timetable as free study time, and for these courses, bursaries are available to those eligible. Luan has your friend investigated whether she would be egilible for a bursary from the college, often they are local authority funded and available too most people who live in the area.

PSA David you appear to work somewhere which has quite a formal pay structure based on Qualification levels, I think it's fair to say most practices pay structures are a lot looser and pay rises not necessarily guaranteed unless previously stated in a contract.

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PSA-David — Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:24:47 GMT

that would be obvious, as a student being unqualified you was not paid the equivalent that that of Qualified wage. this increases on qualification to the second year and then to a RVN. pay levels are there for reasons. to reflect and respect the qualities and qualifications.

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WelshyNurse — Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:17:52 GMT

Student nurse is lower than average wage though isn't it

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nickyc — Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:03:30 GMT

Totally not normal in my opinion, and agree with Chinchin practices should be moving with the times, and am very grateful to be working in one that appreciates both its RVN's and student nurses. Student nurses should not and are not free labour. In my last and current practice the nurses were paid a student nursing wage, which was obviously less then a QVN wage, but they were paid for there college days, and not deducted wages. In both practices they were also given a pay rise after passing first year then again after qualifying. Three days college a week does seem excessive though, so would possibly look into another course to see if this could be reduced to one, so if the practice refuses to pay wages then at least this is less money to lose. Also look into funded schemes, which often help practices with costs of college fees depending on the student age as think they need to be less then 25, but this might then help with the situation. If not then I would be looking for another practice as even when I trained 14 years ago I was NOT deducted wages for my college day release, but paid a student nurse wage....

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Sam.23 — Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:17:45 GMT

Hi Luan, are there any other colleges that offer the course with less time out of practice? It may be worth your friend considering this. My wage wasnt reduced when I started college however as I'm close by to both my practice and college I do the odd shift after college if and when I'm needed.

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 25 Jan 2016 20:13:25 GMT

Luan - is your friend being treated any differently than other trainee nurses within the practice? ie when the other nurses were studying were they needing the same amount of time off? Is there anything in her contract re training? Is there another course that she could do that would mean her having less time at college and more time in practice that wouldn't hit her wage packet so hard?

Are there any other extra shifts available that she could do to make her hours up like I did

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PHA86 — Mon, 25 Jan 2016 19:38:35 GMT

It's not always helpful to have staff with identical ambitions and skills, but it's a shame people are discouraged from fulfilling their potential.

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WelshyNurse — Mon, 25 Jan 2016 18:29:33 GMT

Wow chinchin. Calm down. You are very lucky that your practice did not deduct your wages. But this is not the norm.

of course we all have bills to pay, but your didn't 'have' to do the RVN training. It's somethings you want to do.

Its perfectly acceptable and normal to deduct wages. One of the many reasons I turned down doing the training many times. Didn't effect me, am still nursing earning the same if not more than some RVNs

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Chinchin — Mon, 25 Jan 2016 17:42:07 GMT

[quote user="PSA-David"]

dude,, we all get and got a national pay rise in line with inflation.

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Don't be so arrogant, you don't know the amount I got or the reason for getting the raise.

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PSA-David — Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:39:04 GMT

dude,, we all get and got a national pay rise in line with inflation.

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Chinchin — Mon, 25 Jan 2016 16:35:39 GMT

This is so wrong! I go to college one day a week and I haven't had any wage deducted. I got a pay rise end of last year also as my practice appreciates me. It irritates me when some people say well it's only fair they are doing you a favor. Get with the times! How are people expected to support themselves on a rubbish wage. Do people not realize that some of us pay rent and bills and look after ourselves. I know this job is usually classed as a vocation but in this day and age people are entitled to a decent wage to get by. It's always the older nurses who say well its fair enough and that's probably because you have support from family members or husbands that earns a decent living.

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PSA-David — Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:57:18 GMT

when I was training I got paid a training nurse wage. and was not deducted for attending college.

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Sal the 1st — Sun, 24 Jan 2016 20:47:16 GMT

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She has just found out that all other nurses who were employed by the practice and did their training continued to receive full pay...hence the reason she's pretty upset

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Were the other nurses needing so much time out of the practice to do it tho? - and its not only the college time these days. I can see both sides

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Kate Dutton — Sun, 24 Jan 2016 20:25:21 GMT

I was paid for my day release, which was one day a week during school term-time only for two years. I've never heard of a nursing course being taught for three days a week.

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Sal the 1st — Sun, 24 Jan 2016 13:34:07 GMT

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day release used to be one day at college i thought, not 3! thats almost block release. for a practice thats 2 days without staff, so i can see why they would pay less,

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I agree, 1 day maybe but not 3, I am guessing the practice will need to pay other staff extra to cover? And we wonder why nobody wants to train their staff these days?

I was never paid for my day release - I had the option to make up my wages by working extra weekends/extra late shifts but that was it and then only if it was required by the practice.

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Selena Carnell — Sun, 24 Jan 2016 10:58:52 GMT

day release used to be one day at college i thought, not 3! thats almost block release. for a practice thats 2 days without staff, so i can see why they would pay less,

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WelshyNurse — Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:15:59 GMT

I have never heard of SVNs salary being higher than ANAs, and I've worked in a few training practices.

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PHA86 — Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:11:17 GMT

Our student wages are higher than ANAs. There are costs and time away from practice involved, but the benefits outweigh these inconveniences. I believe practices should be investing in their employees, not putting barriers in place!

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luan riach — Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:07:19 GMT

She has just found out that all other nurses who were employed by the practice and did their training continued to receive full pay...hence the reason she's pretty upset

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WelshyNurse — Sat, 23 Jan 2016 11:37:46 GMT

Completely normal. They have to pay for her to do the course So it's only fair really.

She can refuse to do the course if it was never agreed. I've been offered to do it many times and always turned it down as I don't see the need to do it