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Lydia Smith — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:22:32 GMT

Thank you for this lovely reply! X

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shakira free miles — Tue, 18 Aug 2015 10:08:49 GMT

Hi Lynda, I think this was a very brave post from yourself and you should be able to feel like yourself at work to feel happy. I think that our own natural ones will fall out any way so I don't really see the difference.

Worst case just wear dental goggles! I think you should be able to feel confident at work and feel like yourself as well and you clearly would do the right thing in the case that you needed to remove them.

I hope that you manage to get a solution but I am sure it is no major issue and there are always ways around things too. :) Stay happy xx

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Sal the 1st — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 21:02:46 GMT

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[quote user="Sal the 1st"]I am all for it, but who decides what is good practice [/quote]

Those people working in a responsible position should decide what is good practice, and use evidence-based decisions.

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Absolutely, couldn't agree more - my only concern is that there is small group of people out there trying to enforce a 'one size fits all' system (which fits perfectly for them but might be less than ideal or workable for others) and sometimes the evidence being used to substantiate 'best practice' or 'gold standard' or anything else you might want to call it doesn't always stand up to close scrutiny in all situations.

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That said, in the absence of a clear cut answer, then yes it is down to the employers decision.

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thank you - again we can agree on something

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SuzyM — Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:30:40 GMT

[quote user="Sal the 1st"]I am all for it, but who decides what is good practice [/quote]

Those people working in a responsible position should decide what is good practice, and use evidence-based decisions. This definitely includes Veterinary Nurses. If I only did/accepted all the things the person who pays my wages decides, the infection control around here would be questionable indeed. Vets, in my experience, frequently depend on their nurses to take the lead in areas such as biosecurity, and in areas where there is a lack of evidence in veterinary literature on such matters, human health research is the natural place to start I would have thought.

That said, in the absence of a clear cut answer, then yes it is down to the employers decision.

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Sal the 1st — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 19:34:31 GMT

the reason I get annoyed is that people cherry pick the bits that benefit themselves personally that they have seen in other places because it is what they want and whether or not it is actually relevant or practical to veterinary practice they will do their damndest to bring them in.

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I don't think there is anything wrong with looking to other places that demonstrate good practice and taking note of their policies then deciding what works or doesn't work in a Veterinary Setting.

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And I don't disagree with that at all. I am all for it, but who decides what is good practice

Anyways to the original poster - I hope there is a solution for you out there,ie is there another area in the practice that you are really interested in that wouldn't need you to scrub in? If you speak to somebody in HR can they suggest anything else?

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arcticfox — Tue, 11 Aug 2015 12:41:59 GMT

I'm not sure why you would get annoyed when people look to other organisations for what they may be doing. The NHS strongly supports evidence based practice. Something that VN's are encouraged to do. I don't think there is anything wrong with looking to other places that demonstrate good practice and taking note of their policies then deciding what works or doesn't work in a Veterinary Setting.

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Lydia Smith — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 15:00:56 GMT

I have a small set on now. Like I explained in my previous post ... I used to pull my lashes out when I suffered with anxiety now my natural lashes are very short and clumpy so having these make me feel a little bit normal. I've checked my contract and searched for literature on the subject.

thank you for everyone's replies

lydia

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murphy-x — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 14:57:05 GMT

I have eyelash extensions and It has never been an issue in any of the last three clinic i have worked at (including two specialist centres). I don't scrub in much in theatre anymore but again when I have none of the surgeons have minded. I am the same as you and they are the one 'girly' thing that I get done. I think as long as you go to a good quality beautician and maintain them so they don't shed too much then there shouldn't be a problem.

Ps - some of our female clients love them, and now go to get them done in the same place as me

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 12:06:10 GMT

sorry I didn't catch that bit - and I do agree with you that the standards in veterinary can be higher than the human field - so slap my wrist and I promise to read more carefully next time .

I do get a bit annoyed when every single time something like this crops up people always say xy or z happens in the NHS or somewhere else - it doesn't matter what everybody else is doing, it doesn't matter what the NHS are doing or not doing (unless you have an NHS manager running the gaff) its what the person who pays your wages wants that matters (so long as its legal)

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PSA-David — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 11:30:18 GMT

I think you may have the wrong end of my post. I stated BBC as there was a report this weekend, on how the care with the human field is no where near than veterinary. Thus I would expect a practice to have a better standard.

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 11:20:33 GMT

it isn't down to NHS guidelines, RCN , BBC reports or anybody else people would like to involve unless the NHS or BBC are directly your employers - at the end of the day its down to the employer ie the person who pays your wages - if they have decided that extensions are not welcome in theatre then that should be the end of it. Practices have their own rules/standards for a reason, they aren't negotiable, you accept them when you take a job. Same goes for piercings, tattoos, hair colouring, nail varnish, long nails or a few other things

To the OP just let them grow out/ fall off whatever these things do - use a decent mascara when you are not at work or you could always have your own eyelashes dyed if you are looking for something more permanent, but the more you muck about with them the chances are the thinner they will get. My own lashes are very sparse and have been for years but I gave up on this palaver years ago - if people can't accept me for who I am then ..... Just as an aside if if your eyelashes are very very sparse and there is no reason why they should be then might be worth a check up with the doc.

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arcticfox — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:47:30 GMT

I tend to look at the NHS for guidance with these things as they do alot of research on infection control

the RCN guidance states that its a local rule so individual to each department http://www.rcn.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/78652/002724.pdf (page 9)

doing a quick google search the dress code policy at Sheffield includes that false eyelashes are not allowed. https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/polopoly_fs/1.29489!/file/DressCodePolicy.pdf (page 5)

I actually can't find anything that permits it to be honest and i don't allow them in my clinical area either

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PSA-David — Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:41:50 GMT

this is had to answer being male. but in my previous practices for the wormen this was a big no no, especially in theatre. with risk of falling off and entering wound (even thou this was a very low risk). there was also concerns of setting the image for the practice. this natural and not "fake and done up for a Friday night out".

With regards to the Hospital, there are different rules. but the human medical standards are not as great as veterinary. see the BBC report from the weekend.