Veterinary nursing gets top billing at Charter celebrations

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SuzyM — Fri, 13 Mar 2015 13:01:43 GMT

I think it is a necessary and long-overdue development and have been going to work with my head held a little higher since the charter was renewed. Rather than feeling resentment towards VN council and the RCVS, I feel I have support from an organisation which is fighting our corner, and what an amazing job they have done. We all moan from time to time about lack of recognition and appreciation... well here it is! The disciplinary procedure may be a worrying prospect for some, but it seems to work well and fair enough for vets (puts on tin hat). Personally, I have faith in the system and can only see it raising standards in the future - there are excellent non-registered nurses, excellent unqualified nurses and poor registered nurses out there and the new regulations can help to level the playing field. I agree with Arlo, it is a shame some feel hard done by but the overall outcome for the profession, and the majority, is a good thing.

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Arlo Guthrie — Fri, 13 Mar 2015 09:15:11 GMT

[quote user="jojofruits"]I did NOT see that coming.. [/quote]

For anyone following this thread, Jojo is referring to a post that I've been asked to delete by the author (and I've deleted my own reply to the deleted post as it's nonsensical without the post I was replying to!

[quote user="jojofruits"]

For what its worth I think its a good thing. I WANT to be recognised and regulated and responsible for my actions. I WANT to be able to go to someone if I see something happen which is not acceptable in the profession. I worked bloody hard for my RVN title and its fabulous to have it formally recognised and formally regulated. There is nothing worse than seeing malparactice from a colleague and having nowhere to go with it. I'm fed up of seeing unqualified lay staff with very limited basic understanding being allowed to monitor anaesthetics or perform acts of veterinary medicine on people's beloved pets!.. and nothing happening about it! Any step towards sorting this out is welcomed by me!

I do see the arguments against, but Rome wasnt built in a day and the point is we are getting there![/quote]

Hear hear. Well said.

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jojofruits — Fri, 13 Mar 2015 08:33:54 GMT

I did NOT see that coming..

I do see the arguments against, but Rome wasnt built in a day and the point is we are getting there!

What a shame this thread has turned into what seems like another attack against, well, everything! . We should all be working together! its ridiculous!

RE: Veterinary nursing gets top billing at Charter celebrations

Arlo Guthrie — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:56:57 GMT

[quote user="Sal the 1st"]Arlo, Sorry but I don't think you will ever comprehend the degree of resentment and uneasiness some of us feel towards the VN council [/quote]

Try me

[quote user="Sal the 1st"]as listed nurses we were isolated and told we weren't 'responsible', we were portrayed as lesser nurses, we were bullied, we were threatened and when that failed we were finally forced. Our concerns were ignored when raised or we were met with at best a bromide statement but more usually silence.[/quote]

Sal (and anyone else who feels in the same boat as Sal please pitch in here), there seem to me to be two very separate issues here.

The first is whether or not the new Royal Charter, the recognition of veterinary nursing as a profession, and the consequential requirement to be accountable is in the broadest sense, a GOOD THING. In the broad sense, I think it is unquestionably a good thing.

The second is how you feel QVNs like you were treated in the process. You say you were bullied and threatened. That's emotive language that means different things to different people. Who threatened you, and with what? How were you bullied and by whom? I'm not doubting you, it's just that without specifics, it's difficult for me to put it in perspective.

But that is slightly beside the point. My point is that you may have been treated dreadfully, but I'd hope that wouldn't preclude you from seeing that veterinary nursing being formally recognised as a profession is, in a broad sense, a great step forward.

Must say, I hadn't realised your animosity was directed at VN Council specifically. I thought your two main concerns were a) the cost of insurance (but VDS is offering it free, so I presume that is no longer a concern), and b) whether a disciplinary system administered by the RCVS would be fair. At the time, I argued why I thought it would be, and raised the point that in any event, disciplinaries are few and far between. You obviously disagree, which is fair enough, but it means the only remaining answer is that the proof will be in the pudding. It will be interesting to see whether there have been RVN disciplinary cases which were seen as having produced an unfair outcome in the next year or two.

I seem to remember you also raised the issue of CPD being based on valueless criteria (ie whether you went to BSAVA and had a nice sandwich). I rather tend to agree.

I'm not arguing that everything is perfect. Actually, I think it is very important that the disciplinary process is seen to be scrupulously fair. I suspect CPD could be made more relevant. But I don't see either of these things as a reason to fight against all nurses being registered and accountable. What am I missing, Sal?

RE: Veterinary nursing gets top billing at Charter celebrations

danielle83 — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:52:26 GMT

Hi Sal,

Out of interest what were your reservations about becoming registered as opposed to listed?

regards

Danni

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Sammyannieantha — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 09:47:34 GMT

Excellent this is definately a landmark and can only make the profession better ;)

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molladog — Wed, 11 Mar 2015 08:53:34 GMT

I am afraid I tend to agree Sal.....

RE: Veterinary nursing gets top billing at Charter celebrations

Sal the 1st — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 21:18:43 GMT

Arlo, Sorry but I don't think you will ever comprehend the degree of resentment and uneasiness some of us feel towards the VN council - as listed nurses we were isolated and told we weren't 'responsible', we were portrayed as lesser nurses, we were bullied, we were threatened and when that failed we were finally forced.Our concerns were ignored when raised or we were met with at best a bromide statement but more usually silence. This was the case for a sizeable number of the qualified nurses (and some of the most experienced and longest serving - ie the ones that in many cases had trained the current generation - well we did until the register took hold and then were weren't even allowed to do that anymore), the ones that have stuck it out in this job for more than a couple of years -and I mean really stuck it out on the front line , we didn't get fed up and move off into something else, we have nursed for most of our working lives and this is how we are treated -so little wonder some of us mistrust the VN council.

Had there been some consultation of the listed nurses, some interest shown in their reasons for not wanting to join the register and some commitment to resolving some of the issues we had things may have been very different. Are the VN council interested in attempting to repair any of the damage and bad feeling? - I very much doubt it.

Whilst some of us have been forced onto the register in order for us to be able to do our jobs it does not mean we are happy about it and for some of us there is absolutely no cause for celebration.

So for those of you that are celebrating - well good for you , enjoy yourselves- but for me the prospect is utterly depressing, just hope you don't find yourselves in my position a few years down the line (and I reckon the non degree route nurses may well be the next lot to join me).

So sorry if that puts a dampener on your celebrations - not feeling too cheery myself, so I will leave you to it.

RE: Veterinary nursing gets top billing at Charter celebrations

catherinedean — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 16:37:31 GMT

Professor Stuart Reid, RCVS President said: “However, there is one more piece of this jigsaw that is missing. We would like to increase further the confidence of the public in veterinary nurses with formal statutory protection of the title veterinary nurse. It is simply unacceptable that unqualified individuals should be able to use the same title as a well-qualified, properly regulated professional.”

In my eyes, this is the first step to things changing for the better, for the sakes of our patients and clients!

Thanks for filming that!

RE: Veterinary nursing gets top billing at Charter celebrations

Arlo Guthrie — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 10:02:45 GMT

I do understand that there are those that have their criticisms of / concerns about the system. What I just don't get is the inability to recognise or applaud any of the good! As a layman that has watched from the sidelines for 15-odd years now, I think it is a very positive step for veterinary nursing to be recognised as a profession.

As someone who perhaps has a slightly better insight into the profession than the average layman, I appreciate there are still many issues and fears that need to be addressed: training, pay, whether the new regulatory system will be fair (personally I think it will, but I can understand how some might worry that it won't be. I think time will tell).

I still think this recognition is a good thing that will benefit the profession, and I also think that for criticism to have any impact, it needs to be balanced by a good dose of applause, encouragement, call it what you will, for the positive things people are doing.

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jojofruits — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 08:59:11 GMT

Excellent Arlo!! thank you, I will be watching this later

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Caro Laithwaite VN — Tue, 10 Mar 2015 06:39:18 GMT

You probably saw my reply coming as well Arlo

RE: Veterinary nursing gets top billing at Charter celebrations

Arlo Guthrie — Mon, 09 Mar 2015 23:09:01 GMT

[quote user="Sal the 1st"]forgive me for not sharing your enthusiasm[/quote]

Well, I saw that one coming

RE: Veterinary nursing gets top billing at Charter celebrations

Sal the 1st — Mon, 09 Mar 2015 22:44:22 GMT

forgive me for not sharing your enthusiasm