how precious

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James Colver Cert. Ed, RVN — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 19:19:02 GMT

No, but how can you measure a nurse's worth at the point of employment when the salary is being agreed? Surely there can't be many who would disagree that a nurse who holds a Diploma in Advanced Veterinary Nursing or similar should command a higher salary than a nurse who doesn't? After all, it shows that the person has sought to increase their professional knowledge and skill set, and if that's not the making of a good nurse then what is? No, a person with such qualifications isn't ALWAYS going to be a 'better' nurse, but it surely helps to give prospective employers the measure of that person.

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Lee484 — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 17:33:39 GMT

James, I appreciate that, I honestly do, and I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I believe nurses should be recognised for the work they do, not the title they hold, (be it listed, registered etc.) Extra qualifications do not always equal better nurses in my opinion.

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JaneRVN — Tue, 03 Feb 2015 10:41:54 GMT

Steph is correct and if you read the wording above from Julie Dugmore this confirms RVN will stay

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Steph Worsley — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 22:37:05 GMT

I heard it direct out of the mouths of the RCVS themselves today. As long as the nurse keeps up with registration they keep the RVN post nominals. it is the extra post nominals that are under question NOT the RVN

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 22:20:25 GMT

hope you are right on that one

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Steph Worsley — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 21:28:48 GMT

Sal I think the author of that article has got hold of the wrong end of the stick (in my opinion) as no matter how the VN trained they will still have the RVN post nominal.....I mean we don't put NVQ level 2 and 3 as post nominals now so the only difference would be that the BSc would appear on the register as well as the RVN post nominals,

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Sal the 1st — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 20:12:26 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]

I wish they hadn't!

Seriously, would like to know what you're thinking!

I mean, strikes me as not a huge deal if those with qualifications get to have them displayed (at this point I'll duck down into my trench).

I mean, the uproar amongst vets happened when the College said it was going to remove post-nominals. In this case they're talking about adding them!

Still, when I talked about adding them to the registration on this site, the feedback was that it would be divisive and I do wonder whether this will be seen in a similar light...

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'It is proposed that only qualifications at level four or above, worth 60 UK credits, should be accepted onto the register, a move VERY likely to anger vocationally trained veterinary nurses and trigger another petition and conflict!'

quoted from the article for those that missed it. From the article it would appear that somebody has twigged in advance its going to cause problems - but hey we will do it anyway. Not a big deal? and no James it has nothing to do with money its not about what somebody should or shouldn't get paid

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James Colver Cert. Ed, RVN — Mon, 02 Feb 2015 19:01:46 GMT

Why shouldn't DipAVN get paid more than RVN? They have put lots of additional work in after qualifying!

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JaneRVN — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:44:18 GMT

The majority of the post quals can be done part-time/distance/flexi learning. This discussion is not about making a BSc better than an RVN. Most RVNs top up out with the BSc scheme.

it is offering the chance for the many post qual qualifications to be RCVS recognised. As some on here have mentioned they have these quals. I do too. I did them for mine and the patients benefit. But it would be nice for the RCVS to acknowledge there are institutes and nurses willing to go above and beyond the current recognised quals.

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sananbaz — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:58:22 GMT

Ditto what Steph said!

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Steph Worsley — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:28:00 GMT

Hmmm, to be honest I don't really mind either here nor there about what goes on the register. I personally actually have more letters after my name now than is in it....I'm a DipAVN (small Animal), DipHECVN, ISFM CertFN, RVN. I am a vocationally trained nurse I have never been to university BUT I have worked damn hard for those letters, and I am currently working towards more (all whilst still in full time work plus a 2nd job). I know that the RCVS will not include the CertFN or the next qual that I am working towards looking at their criteria I may be lucky that they include the DipHECVN.

To be honest the amount of extra work that goes into the 2 1/2 years for the DipAVN I honestly think that we are worth that extra couple of thousand a year that we may get offered....and even prior to me completing it I didn't begrudge dipAVNs getting that as it is extra work.

I honestly don't know about the BSc or FDSc and those who qualified this route getting offered more money. But I can agree that there are good AND bad nurses who have trained either way.

So in a nutshell I'm not really bothered what the RCVS decdes to do re this as it will only effect those who have a degree or not....which in recruitment you would see on the CV anyway and if clients look they prob wouldn't know the difference either

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Lee484 — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:04:51 GMT

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding this, but I think the thing that concerns me, is are employers going to start overlooking vocationally trained nurses in favour of those who went to university and come with a list of letters after their name.

Already I've seen plenty of job adverts that offer at least a couple extra thousand per year to DipAVN's.

When I started nursing I was at a stage in my life where going back to full time education just wasn't feasible. I worked hard for my qualification (as we all did) and now I'm starting to feel a bit penalised for not going to university.

I've dealt heavily in the recruitment side of my practice in the last couple years, and can honestly say I have seen no difference in skill level regarding how the nurse was trained - if anything, it has only confirmed to me, that in this job, there is a lot a classroom can not teach.

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Arlo Guthrie — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:34:06 GMT

[quote user="Alison Clare Hickman"]words fail me...[/quote]

I wish they hadn't!

Seriously, would like to know what you're thinking!

I mean, strikes me as not a huge deal if those with qualifications get to have them displayed (at this point I'll duck down into my trench).

I mean, the uproar amongst vets happened when the College said it was going to remove post-nominals. In this case they're talking about adding them!

Still, when I talked about adding them to the registration on this site, the feedback was that it would be divisive and I do wonder whether this will be seen in a similar light ...

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Jenzel — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 16:09:25 GMT

I don't reply much on here but, what?! I hope I am understanding this wrong!

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Alison Clare Hickman — Thu, 29 Jan 2015 15:54:34 GMT

words fail me...