POM-VPS to dispense?

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Elvira — Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:12:40 GMT

I just wrote a short statement to say that POM-VPS drugs are for food producing animals and therefore have no place in a small animal portfolio. I used Dopram-v drops in 12.2 and I think I mentioned that in my statement. I didn't have any problems with it.

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Lorna Marie Kemble — Tue, 12 Oct 2010 14:14:24 GMT

Dermisol cream is pom-vps

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Vicky RVN — Fri, 13 Nov 2009 07:07:28 GMT

I knew there was something on here about this! Am now coming to this part of my level 3 portfolio so this has proved useful! We have dermisol in practice but can't remember the last time it was dispensed, that's how often we use it! So will go the transferable skills i reckon! I think the whole dispensing section is a bit crazy...dispense an antibiotic, a pain relief, a steroid blah blah blah. They're all drugs, why have to show you can dispense them ALL! I can understand making sure you do drugs with specific requirements, ie controlled drugs but really, it's mad...but hey, that's the portfolio all over! Surely if you can correctly dispense rimadyl, you can also correctly dispense nisamox! Anyway, rant over

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Anonymous — Thu, 07 May 2009 08:51:16 GMT

at last someone that agrees i thought i was the only one. x x x

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Donna France — Wed, 06 May 2009 18:58:58 GMT

HI,

I agree with Spud

Im an assessor and spoke to our VNAC (myerscough college) and I have been told to just discard it, it should never have been put in the scope.

Just a quick appendix is needed to explain the catagory.

Make life abit easier!

Donna

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Anonymous — Fri, 01 May 2009 18:18:34 GMT

i spoke to my iv again today to confirm that you do not have to do the pom - vps section and she said doing it is a waste of time. it is a large animal section and should not be in our s/a section.

please do not stress and waste time doing it. just write a appendix re all pom etc and under pom - vps say it has no place in small animal portfolio. x x x

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Frith — Fri, 01 May 2009 12:23:40 GMT

Dermisol cream and panacur and panacur oral susp are both small animal POM-VPS's

If you have not actively been involved in the dispensing of either of these you have a few options many of which have already been mentioned here.

use a statement to show how this is a transferable skill. Reference K&U to show you understand the difference between the legal catagories.
use a set task, your assessor could ask you to dispense dermisol, or panacur and as if to a client, the assessor may pose as the client or ask another member of staff or a freind to do it.

Note that the difference between a set task and a simulation, is that you are doing something in just the same way as you would in a real situation. So in this case your assessor would expect to see you:

gain the information you needed to dispense the drug
acsess the animals records
obtain the correct drug
label it appropriately
give the correct advise to an "owner" (or in this case someone pretending to be an owner) on storage, use, and disposal.

In this case if all the other legal catagories are covered a statement of transferable skill should be sufficient, because if you look at the points above, is this process any different from what you would do if it were a POM-V. The only difference would be that if you had a SQP other than a vet in the practice, they may be the one prescribing it.

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN D32/33 — Fri, 01 May 2009 07:57:36 GMT

[quote user="Emma Jarratt"]

That's interesting and could be very useful Juliet. Are you an IV? Has this information been given to all IVs?

Also - can you explain a bit more about how you evidenced the professional discussion - I'll start a separate thread so we don't take this conversation too far off track!

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hi, no im just a d32/33.

the statement i have explained, is also what the iv/ev will now require to document transferable skills, it is no longer acceptible, just to jot down that it is transferable, you have to document evidence of competance in similar skills.

a professional discussion, can be taped (but you must provide tape counter numbers for each piece of evidence met), or or in a question and answer format, with your reasonings why the discussion is appropriate, and a summing up of your opinions of the students competance, based on their answers, and any other evidence), i prefer the written format, muche easier. there is a sheet designed for the purpose, or you can just write it out.

i use the above two methods when i'am finalising each unit, to pick up pc's and scope that has not , and is unlikely to be met within the deadlines. i then write the unit summary for each unit.

i hope this helps.

what i will say though, is use your iv. if you are unsure of anything keep asking questions, it is what they are there for.

incidently, my iv (who was present at the inspection), did not know some of the things the ev told us too. so there is perhaps failings in comunication throughout the system.

juliet

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Gillian Mostyn — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:53:53 GMT

As someone else has said, this drug category is only for large animals. Our IV told the students to write a quick note indicating this -and that it does not need to be covered in the SA portfolio at all.

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Caro Laithwaite VN — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:33:50 GMT

nope.... hic

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Fiona Leathers — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:01:32 GMT

errrr hello .......transferrable skilll........ is anyone listening????

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Caro Laithwaite VN — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:40:11 GMT

Yo mama you are allowed one pedantic/day

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Emma Jarratt — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:27:42 GMT

That's interesting and could be very useful Juliet. Are you an IV? Has this information been given to all IVs?

Also - can you explain a bit more about how you evidenced the professional discussion - I'll start a separate thread so we don't take this conversation too far off track!

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN D32/33 — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 07:14:00 GMT

hi i'm an assessor. we has an ev visit this month, and it was very useful.

the ev said that you did not actually have to cover every item of scope, however

your assessor must be able to provide a suitable statement, referring to similar tasks, already in the portfolio, and perform a professional discussion, to ask you 1 or 2 questions relative to the scope you have not actually acheived.

for pom-vps, if you have dispensed items from each other category, and have dispensed oral and other topical medications, then your assessor can do the above statement, and ask you if there are any specific requirements you need to meet in order to dispense the pom -vps. yor assessor can complete the staement with her/his opinion of your competancy at dispensing as a whole.

dermisol cream and solution are the only really relevant products in this category, but as has already been stated, you won't be able to use items dispensed for large animals for your small animal portfolio.

the statement and professional discussion can be used for other hard to obtain items, such as servicing/repairs.

i hope this helps clarify things a bit.

cheers

juliet

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Emma Jarratt — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 06:55:29 GMT

[quote user="Caro Laithwaite"]

You have to be in that sqp category to dispense to that animal ie as a C l can only dispense for companion animal

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Just to be a pedant Caro so students don't get confused - anyone can dispense (hence it being an assessable skill for VNs), but you need to be a vet/pharmacist/SQP to prescribe POM-VPS

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Caro Laithwaite VN — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:33:17 GMT

Sorry found my noah for sqp list that all spq's get sent

Some of the list is here l was going to do all of them then thought hang on some are cattle and farm other equine and some (few) small animal.

You have to be in that sqp category to dispense to that animal ie as a C l can only dispense for companion animal, however your question did not say if the person was a C or an E (equine) just an observation. so some on here is equine and some is small. Did not put which you will have to check it up l did not put any of the farm animal items up though.

Anivit, locaine 2%,Bimectin, Embotpe, Willcain, Colombovac PMV/POX, Dermisol AND Dermisol multiclense,

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Fiona Leathers — Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:54:26 GMT

If you can't get one, surely it could be written up as a transferrable skill?? If you can prove you have good knowledge of the different classes, then all dispensing is the same. Get your assessor to help you.

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Emily Hibbs — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:56:48 GMT

Thanks for all your help everyone - I have a case for admin and dispensing of Dermisol so going to use that!!

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Anonymous — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 16:05:52 GMT

I have been told by my iv to also write a comment saying that it is a large animal drug an d does not need to be covred for s/a poetfoio.

i have been told it should have been put as a equine section only x

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Izzie — Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:32:04 GMT

I am an assessor and asked our iv to said that my student can write a detailed statement about POM-VPS drugs, we are a mixed practice but were told not to use LA or EQ drugs.

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

allison snutch — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:40:58 GMT

hi i was in the middle of replying and my web page folded. if you are doing small animal then you cannot use large animal/equine stuff in it and you get to repeat the scope. i give my trainees a list of products that we have in our practice in the nfa- vps, and avm-gsl as well as the 2 for pom-vps. there are a few more in these catagories but as we dont use them i dont bother with them. if you are canny you can always ask a vet to use dermisol in wound management and the dispense renmainder of tube to client. you could then cover 12.2 as well as 12.1.

i sympathise with the awkwardness of the portfolio as just when i thought i had sussed the easiest way of covering it all and pass this onto my students, they decide to change and want a different slant on things. it is so frustrating.

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

FINNIGAN — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:34:30 GMT

panomec is a pom-vps we use it for a dog with a skin prob, i used this and have had it ok by iv, could only find panomec and dophram

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Emily Hibbs — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:05:35 GMT

[quote user="allison snutch"]

hi, as an assessor and sqp i can tell you that tou have 2 options - one is dermisol and the other dopram drops (though i doubt you woulld dispense these to a client). be wary of using equine medications in a small animal portfolio. in had an svn on placement who had done this at another practice and was not allowed. if you do not cover with dermisol you can do it as an assignment but clear it with your iv first. i hope this helps

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I had thought about this - so is it ok to use a medication dispensed to a farmer/eqine client even though the portfolio is for small animals? Why do they have to make it so flipping awkward and complicated!!!

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

allison snutch — Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:56:52 GMT

Re: POM-VPS to dispense?

Emily Hibbs — Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:41:00 GMT

[quote user="Carol Chalmers"]

Hi, i was really struggling to get this part finished as well and my assessor found notes to say that 'Dermissol' was a POM-VPS. Hope this helps. :)

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Hiya thanks for that. I just can't think of people that have had it dispensed when I'm not in work! For anyone else the vmd website is great help!!!