New Staff Protocol....??

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Busy bee — Sun, 10 Nov 2013 19:43:23 GMT

Vodka, Lime and Soda it is !

Cheers! :-D

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Gillian Mostyn — Sat, 09 Nov 2013 15:01:08 GMT

ok, I'll settle for that! (Or could you make it a vodka, lime and soda? )

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Busy bee — Fri, 08 Nov 2013 19:31:45 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

feel free to PM me... I can keep a secret!

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Will give you a beer instead?

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Gillian Mostyn — Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:46:31 GMT

feel free to PM me... I can keep a secret!

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Busy bee — Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:25:56 GMT

[quote user="Busy bee"]

Lo! I'd LOVE to tell all - I really would (I love a gossip)!

Sooooorrryyy!

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Lol! not Lo!

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Busy bee — Fri, 08 Nov 2013 17:25:25 GMT

Lo! I'd LOVE to tell all - I really would (I love a gossip)!

Sooooorrryyy!

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Mark Hedberg — Fri, 08 Nov 2013 12:29:53 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

me too....but I know confidentiality stops us nosey sods finding out.

Boooooooooooooooooooo

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I resent that implication! I'm a git, not a sod!

Re: New Staff Protocol....??

Gillian Mostyn — Fri, 08 Nov 2013 09:10:30 GMT

me too....but I know confidentiality stops us nosey sods finding out.

Boooooooooooooooooooo

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Mark Hedberg — Fri, 08 Nov 2013 08:56:14 GMT

[quote user="Busy bee"]

Thanks for your help - we wouldn't have any problems - we have written and photographic evidence.

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Oh dear...now i'm curious! :)

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Busy bee — Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:28:53 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

[quote user="Busy bee"] I thought businesses weren't allowed to give bad references[/quote]

You can say anything that is true. Therefore, if it is 'bad' then you should have evidence - verba/written warnings on file with the correct disciplinary procedure having been followed etc. If it is just your opinion, but you can't prove it or you haven't given the staff member the chance to defend themselves at the time etc - then beware!!!!

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Thanks for your help - we wouldn't have any problems - we have written and photographic evidence.

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Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 05 Nov 2013 22:15:57 GMT

[quote user="Busy bee"] I thought businesses weren't allowed to give bad references[/quote]

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Busy bee — Tue, 05 Nov 2013 19:17:34 GMT

[quote user="klr74"]Legally you can only refuse to give a reference if you do so for all staff members which is our practice policy good or bad.

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I'm not sure what our policy is on this - if she wants a reference (which I'm assuming she won't ask for considering the circumstances) but if she does we should be able to give an honest reference, but then I thought businesses weren't allowed to give bad references?? Your help is appreciated

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Sandra Nicoll — Tue, 05 Nov 2013 12:30:58 GMT

Many companies now a days will provide just a basic reference: Name, address how long they have been with company and job title on leaving as it avoids many potential issues!

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klr74 — Mon, 04 Nov 2013 22:56:26 GMT

Legally you can only refuse to give a reference if you do so for all staff members which is our practice policy good or bad.

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Busy bee — Mon, 04 Nov 2013 19:50:08 GMT

Yes, we are definitely going to get CRB check next time. If we were asked for a reference we would probably not give one. Luckily, said nurse was still on her probation period and only been with us 2 months. We have plenty of evidence should she want to argue her dismissal (which I doubt).

Thank you for all your help and fingers crossed we manage to find a decent qualified nurse soon!

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Gillian Mostyn — Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:54:36 GMT

[quote user="Busy bee"]What I am looking for (if any one uses them) are examples of applications forms or questionnaires to send previous employers to try and get their input on a potential new staff member.... or any other suggestions? [/quote]

What would you say (or, put another way, what can you prove and defend in a tribunal) if you now received a reference request for this particular member of staff....

The best indication of problems in past jobs is:

- staying in same job a decent length of time - not dozens of different jobs!

- the candidate can give a good (and believable) reason why they have moved jobs.

-they speak well of previous workmates/jobs/employers. This should be the case regardless of their actual feelings. Speaking badly (unprofessionally) of others is never a positive sign!

It is a very difficult situation.... recruitment is so stressful! My advice these days is actually to make sure you get rid of someone pronto. You can usually tell in the first few months if someone just 'isn't right' - and the situation rarely improves with time. At least if you fire them quickly you can simply say they're not right for the job, without giving any other reason.

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Sal the 1st — Sun, 03 Nov 2013 19:23:24 GMT

from experience you will be very lucky to get a response from a previous employer other than if they give a reference letter telling you what they want to tell you - which may be very different from what you are actually wanting to know

and this is why

https://www.gov.uk/work-reference

I have known people arrive with glowing references and you think you have landed the greatest catch ever as an employee. From their previous bosses remarks what you have in front of you is worthy of a Nobel prize or a sainthood at the very least - the reality has been that the previous employer has been so glad to offload them they would have written anything to make sure that was what happened.

You could try asking for a CRB check ?

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Busy bee — Sun, 03 Nov 2013 17:34:59 GMT

Thanks for your input ladies

We do already offer a trial day which we have used in the past but sadly on this occasion it wouldn't have helped due to the pure dishonesty...

What I am looking for (if any one uses them) are examples of applications forms or questionnaires to send previous employers to try and get their input on a potential new staff member.... or any other suggestions?

Thanks x

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Sal the 1st — Sun, 03 Nov 2013 11:39:53 GMT

[quote user="Alison Clare Hickman"]

Hi,

I've interviewed at several practices where they ask you to come and work with them for a day or so as part of the interview process. It gives both sides the opportunity to see if they like what they see; I found I relaxed more and they got to see the real me (and vice versa), what I could do, how we related to one another (a shared sense of direction, or not...) and how they worked together as a team (or not!). I am sure you could winkle out most of the truth of abilities declared on a c.v. using this method; I've been tested on all aspects of my C.V. in one form or another when this interview approach was taken...

I don't know if this will help you but I know I felt better informed about a practice and its suitability for me (and vice versa) than by the method of sit and talk interviews I've had...

Good luck with your search.

Ali h

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agreed this is a good way for both sides to find out about each other.

when I have used this myself when involved in the recruitment process I have always asked the question in the interview afterwards 'having seen how we work is there anything you would like to change or anything you think we could be doing better?' sometimes it throws up some really good ideas and can help confirm that the person in front of you is the right person for the job and sometimes it helps confirm that the person may have difficulty fitting in with an established routine

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Alison Clare Hickman — Sun, 03 Nov 2013 11:14:09 GMT

Hi,

I don't know if this will help you but I know I felt better informed about a practice and its suitability for me (and vice versa) than by the method of sit and talk interviews I've had...

Good luck with your search.

Ali h