Giving 2nd Vaccines

RE: Giving 2nd Vaccines

Ariana Gooderham — Thu, 04 Dec 2014 10:27:54 GMT

Nurses (qualified and students) do 2nd vacc's provided our vets have administered the 1st.

We are not allowed to give KC vaccines so these are generally done at 1st vaccs!

The only time a vet will do 2nd vaccs is if they want to re-ex something noticed on the 1st vaccs...

RE: Giving 2nd Vaccines

Catherine Raymond — Wed, 26 Nov 2014 15:53:02 GMT

Our nurses do the 2nd vacc only if one of our vets have given the first one. The RCVS code of conduct says:

Vaccination of companion animals

18.10 To give a first vaccination with a POM-V medicine, the animal must be under care of the prescribing veterinary surgeon (see the supporting guidance on the meaning of ‘under his care’) and the veterinary surgeon must carry out a clinical assessment (see the supporting guidance on the meaning of ‘clinical assessment’) and then the veterinary surgeon may administer, or under his or her direction, a registered or listed veterinary nurse or student veterinary nurse may administer (see paragraph 18.5). If the veterinary surgeon is to certify the vaccination, the certification rules apply (see the supporting guidance on certification) and generally he or she must do it him or herself or witness it done.

18.11 The subsequent vaccination some two weeks or so later (close in time to the first vaccination) is usually authorised by the veterinary surgeon at the time of the first vaccination (directed by the veterinary surgeon when the animal is under his or her care and when the clinical assessment is carried out), and therefore the administration of this second vaccination and all dealings may be through a registered or listed veterinary nurse or student veterinary nurse at the practice, provided the veterinary surgeon is not intending to certify this vaccination. Nevertheless, it is helpful for a veterinary surgeon to be on the premises at the time the vaccine is administered to the animal, to be able to assist in the event of the animal suffering an adverse reaction.

18.12 For booster or subsequent vaccinations not close in time to the first vaccination, the advice is the same as for the first vaccination (see paragraph 18.10).

RE: Giving 2nd Vaccines

Craig McDonald — Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:00:26 GMT

We do KC vaccines sometimes after vet has written on notes can have this at time of 2nd vaccine. But often these are separate appointments with the vet randomly in the year if our clients plan to put them in kennels

Re: Giving 2nd Vaccines

Mrs Dot Dot — Sat, 26 Oct 2013 13:24:01 GMT

[quote user="Suzhy Winfield RVN"]

Hi Craig

We are a sole charge practice just 1 vet and myself an RVN. the vet always passes the 2nd vac's to me to do and id CHIPS and KC vac.......its deemed already ok'd by the vet check on the first vac but I always do a health check first and obviously ask the clentt if all has been ok since first vac.....hope this helps

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Hi, Do you do KC vaccs? I thought that wasn't allowed....?

Re: Giving 2nd Vaccines

Suzhy Winfield RVN — Wed, 23 Oct 2013 20:19:29 GMT

Hi Craig

Re: Giving 2nd Vaccines

Craig McDonald — Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:46:06 GMT

Thanks, just wanted to find out because the vets used to always write a note on the clinical screen saying "1st vaccine given, 2nd to be given in 2/3 weeks time" but they have started not writing this so just wanted to make sure I'm protecting myself with regards to if I vaccinate one which doesn't say give 2nd vaccine in 2/3 weeks and there is a reaction or something don't want any comeback. In the human medical world you only see nurses for vaccines and they contact the doctor if any concerns, I have been doing the 2nd vaccines for a while and just check with the vet if anything has changed but "touch wood" I haven't seen many vaccine reactions.

Re: Giving 2nd Vaccines

Helen Tottey — Mon, 21 Oct 2013 09:50:22 GMT

All our second vaccines are booked in with the nurse unless 1st given by breeder in which case they have a vet and nurse appointment. As an RVN the practice trusts if the nurse has any concerns (any reports of illness from owner, puppy not looking well or non weight gain , ear mites etc), then the vaccine would not be given and vets advice sought but I would say this is rare. In some cases the vet will ask to "pop in" if anything to follow up from 1st vaccine but predominantly the 2nd vaccine is seen as nurse led

Re: Giving 2nd Vaccines

Sal the 1st — Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:28:52 GMT

http://www.vetnurse.co.uk/forums/p/17215/129269.aspx#129269

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Re: Giving 2nd Vaccines

sally whitehead — Sun, 20 Oct 2013 21:38:01 GMT

Have any of you heard anything about nurses not being able to give the 2nd vacc depending on what is written on the vacc card.... E.g if the card says vaccination certificate a nurse cannot give the second vac and sign this, but if it says record they can!?

Re: Giving 2nd Vaccines

Rhiannon Hutton — Fri, 18 Oct 2013 17:20:25 GMT

The system we recently put in place in our practice, which seems to be working well, is that when the vet writes up the notes at the first vaccine, a statement is included stating that they are happy for the second vacc to be given by a VN. For cases where the second vacc needs to be given by the vet for some reason, this statement isn't written. This just covers us for acting under veterinary direction and also makes sure that the receptionists book the appointment with the appropriate person!

Re: Giving 2nd Vaccines

Charlotte K — Fri, 18 Oct 2013 15:16:07 GMT

As far as I'm aware, nurses are ok to give the 2nd vacc only. But to check the pet wasn't unwell after receiving the first one, otherwise to consult a Vet?

Re: Giving 2nd Vaccines

Elerrina — Tue, 15 Oct 2013 18:51:02 GMT

I believe i have read that by giving the first injection the vet has therefore ok'd the second one which means that a vn can do it as it has already been ok'd by a vet.