Docked puppies - no papers!?

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albatross — Thu, 14 May 2009 19:59:04 GMT

[quote user="Mrs Dot Dot"]

I've seen 2 rottie pups (Different ages) in the last 6 months with docked tails... both owners said that they didn't know that it was illegal, and both knew nothing about certificates and that the emphasis was on them..... What can you do? The thing is , if nothing is done then they will begin to creep in more and more.

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our clinic was asked the other day if we could dock an 8 week old rottie pup...

Re: Docked puppies - no papers!?

Kim Buckley — Thu, 14 May 2009 19:49:23 GMT

I wrote an essay at uni about the law surrounding dew claw removal and anyone can do it aslong as they are over 16 and the pups eyes are still closed. We have a bermese mountain dog breeder who brings her pups in to have their hind dew claws off and I refuse to be involved with it. They make a hell of a racket and they bleed loads aswell. I personally think the owner should be made to hold the puppies as it's done! I'm sure that would soon put them off!

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jan — Thu, 07 May 2009 22:14:11 GMT

I've seen adverts in the coutry Life & otehr magazines for Patterdales & other breeds saying good pets, legally docked ..........

Surly someone should be getting on to this cos if theyve been docked they aren't for pets.

I also know of a least one Patterdale breeder who has got themselves a shotgun license so they can have their dogs docked as working. The fact that they live on a council estate in the middle of a city sems to have escaped everyone. Wht work could such a tiny town breed dog do!

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Lisa Molyneaux — Fri, 24 Apr 2009 09:53:37 GMT

[quote user="SaskiaVN"]

Quite a few years back, my then Dalmatian, Gismo, was forever getting his back dew claws caught on everything. Fed up with dressings and antibiotics, I decided to have them removed.

As far as I am aware, it is ok to have them removed if they are causing bother. Correct me if I am wrong though.

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i agree 100% with you on that!

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Saskia Quinn — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:03:17 GMT

Cheers for that Sandra, I wasnt sure if it was legal or not!

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:43:55 GMT

Paula, as far as I am aware, and unless they have changed the act, then anyone can remove dew claws, front and back as it does not stipulate.

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Saskia Quinn — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 22:34:21 GMT

Quite a few years back, my then Dalmatian, Gismo, was forever getting his back dew claws caught on everything. Fed up with dressings and antibiotics, I decided to have them removed.

As far as I am aware, it is ok to have them removed if they are causing bother. Correct me if I am wrong though.

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Fiona Leathers — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:43:41 GMT

Front dew claws shouldn't be removed as they are attached by bone & it will hurt, just like ripping off your little finger. The back ones are usually only attached by skin and flapping in the breeze, but it will still hurt to have them cut off, unless its done correctly.

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Cat Woman — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:06:20 GMT

[quote user="Lisa Molyneaux"]i think if anybody actually witnessed the procedure they would never dream of even thinking getting puppies tails docked.[/quote][quote user="Lisa Molyneaux"]whenever i answer the phone i admit i can be very short with ppl who ask for it to be done [/quote]

I make the owner of the bitch go in with the vet at the time of docking, so that they can hear that, yes, it DOES hurt them!

Lisa, I too am short with peole on the phone! Can't help it somehow!

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Lisa Molyneaux — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:28:27 GMT

[quote user="MissVetNurse"]

[quote user="Naomi Jackson"]

My ex father in law, a breeder, used to bite his pups tails off. So glad hes ex.

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!!!!

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HOLY CHRIST!!!!!

Im so glad hes an ex to you too!!!! you dont want anyone with genes like that floating around in your genepool!!!

Re: Docked puppies - no papers!?

Rebecca Robinson — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:25:08 GMT

Thanks guys at least I know its not just me that feels we're in a difficult situation, think I will get in touch with RCVS to see where we stand. I have a name and address of a potential naughty breeder, If we don't do anything about who will?

Re: Docked puppies - no papers!?

Lisa Molyneaux — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:24:49 GMT

[quote user="SaskiaVN"]

Thanks Miss VN

We are pretty much same as you guys over here as in it is now illegal in Northern Ireland - not sure about the south of Ireland though. Lisa Molyneaux could probably clarify the situation in the South

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Hiya,

afraid it is alive and kicking here in the republic, the ISPCA have been fighting it but with this government its like banging your head against a brick wall, although to be fair a lot of vets i have come across refuse to dock tails, there will ALWAYS be some shithead of a vet out there always ready to make a quick buck. then there are those who argue that if it is not done by a vet, ppl will ahve no problem getting "a friend" to do it.....

whenever i answer the phone i admit i can be very short with ppl who ask for it to be done - i ask them would they like their child thumb chopped off???? i think if anybody actually witnessed the procedure they would never dream of even thinking getting puppies tails docked.

GGGRRRRRRR

when i worked in london i did come across a lot of dogs that had been rescued in ireland and rehomed in the UK, although never any puppies.

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Claire Cameron — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:22:03 GMT

[quote user="STRVN"]

Can I ask, what is the difference between docking a tail, and removing dew claws?? it's still an appendage, yet a layman can remove dew claws and there is never much mentioned about that, yet remove a tail and everyone is aghast.

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I didn't know that about dew claws, I thought it was illegal to do for cosmetic purposes? I also thought a vet had to do it. Learn something new every day x

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 16:17:56 GMT

Also is there a difference between docking a tail and removing a bulls testicles?? ( i have seen this done while the bull is basically standing there, and I am not on about for the purposes of looking good, just the process of removal.

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Claire Cameron — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:52:44 GMT

[quote user="Naomi Jackson"]

My ex father in law, a breeder, used to bite his pups tails off. So glad hes ex.

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!!!!

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Naomi Jackson RVN — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:36:00 GMT

My ex father in law, a breeder, used to bite his pups tails off. So glad hes ex.

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wobbliebob — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:29:13 GMT

ouch

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nmenaul — Thu, 23 Apr 2009 15:24:30 GMT

I know! Ridiculous isn't it?!

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Cat Woman — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:10:31 GMT

By law the pups should be bewtween 3 & 5 days old. Whilst I don't agree with it & always make sure I am out of earshot of the screaming pups, I certainly prefer that the vet does it & not the breeder with a rusty pair of kitchen scissors. Many years ago, we euthanased a little dobermann pup that had the most horrendous infection that had travelled up its spine, due to the breeder docking it too closely & not taking care with sterility. Incidently, most pups are not chipped at the time of docking, because people think it is cruel to chip something so small!!!

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Claire Cameron — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:06:20 GMT

I've seen it done with anaesthesia/analgesia, also at least the instruments are sterile and performed in a clean environment. Have seen a Rottweiller litter docked using kitchen scissors, needless to say we saw them back with infections...

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Saskia Quinn — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 20:03:32 GMT

Obviously not everywhere then Cat

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Cat Woman — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:58:57 GMT

Hate to tell you this guys...but scissors & snip is how its done. No analgesia/anaesthetic.

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Saskia Quinn — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:53:06 GMT

yes, I remember that happening in newly born puppies, once they were a few weeks old or older, it was normally sedation/anaesthetic

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Fiona Leathers — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:50:26 GMT

remember a lot of vets that used to dock tails didn't use anaesthetics or analgesics, just a pair of scissors or bone cutters.....and snip.....its off!!

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Claire Cameron — Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:41:47 GMT

[quote user="SaskiaVN"]

Personally, if someone wants a tail docked and is adamant on acheiving this somehow, I would prefer that a vet does it - at least that way, it will be done properly and with anaesthetic/pain relief etc with no adverse effects to the dog.

Now, before anyone gets cross at me saying this, it doesnt mean I am happy that it is being done - I am just stating why it needs to be done properly.

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My thoughts exactly