Calling Clinical Coaches: Alternative assessment methods, help!

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JaneRVN — Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:19:28 GMT

Its the link above Yvonne, under NPL myths

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Yvonne Cannon — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:57:53 GMT

Hi Jane

I wondered if you had a link to the rcvs guide to using simulations? I cant find anything anywhere and wondered if it would be useful.

Thanks

Yvonne

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Steph Smith BSc(hons) RVN — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 21:41:15 GMT

Thanks so much Jane!

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JaneRVN — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 16:27:49 GMT

VN Standard August 2012 - page 10. NPL Myths should help!

http://awardingbody.rcvs.org.uk/publications/vn-standard-august-2012/?destination=%2Fpublications%2F

Hayley, diploma students can go to partner or known TPs to get relevant skills. As long as it is with your VNAC and they can have a witness they can accrue skills there. Usually it is required for smaller areas like endoscopy or ultrasound. It is the same as degree students who havent managed to get all their skills during theor placements and so apply to previous places where they feel they will get the experience.

Sorry for the delay in my reply!!

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Hayley Rafter — Sun, 10 Feb 2013 22:44:50 GMT

I know this is aimed at clinical coaches but I am a student (degree) and always thought diploma students could seek help via there college regarding more difficult cases to obtain but that may of changed. As a degree student I am lucky as I get to move around as I want and although I did my first two placements in general practice I've gone to referral for my third and I have managed to log so much more and gather alot of infomation for my patient care plans, perhaps the college would let your student do this for a few weeks?

Also for the care plans MAYBE they can be done via simulation as the actual tasks you would undertake in the care plan should be in her NPL anyway?

Just a couple of thoughts, not 100 percent but hopefully it helps

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JaneRVN — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 21:39:52 GMT

You are right - time at another placement with the appropriate case load is essential! You are a good CC, as you realise what you can and cannot achieve.

Speak to your IV/collegeand see what they can do.

Let us know how you get on, am sure you arent the only one with these questions.

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Steph Smith BSc(hons) RVN — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:33:57 GMT

[quote user="shelly jefferies"]if you are having to use alternative methods for that many things is your student going to be a competent nurse ? (sorry)[/quote]

This is exactly my concern for her. I haven't signed her off as competent for anything she hasn't done, which is why I have avoided using alternative assessments so far.

[quote user="shelly jefferies"]also if your practice is that quiet how do you maintain TP status?[/quote]

We are an aTP, as Jane has cottoned on to, which is why I am a little bemused as to why the whole secondment idea isn't flying with the college.

Thanks for all the replies so far, I think I will speak with my IV on Monday about secondment again in case I'm not making it obvious enough that it has now become blatently essential.

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Steph Smith BSc(hons) RVN — Sun, 03 Feb 2013 17:25:00 GMT

[quote user="JaneRVN"]You can't use professional discussions as it needs to practical skills that are logged.[/quote]

Thanks for clarifying that! Good job I hadn't tried to do any yet!

[quote user="JaneRVN"]Simulations are good - there is an RCVS guide to these. Its on my work computer. I'll dig it out and post it.[/quote]

That would be so helpful Jane, thank you. Maybe you could email it...? stephaniesmithVN@gmail.com

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SmegSlayer — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:42:56 GMT

I didn't do the NPL but was the last year to do the portfolio and I went to 2 different practices to get odd bits and pieces- 1 was an xray on an exotic- the onnly one my practice had done in the previous 2 years had come in on a day when I was at college (sod's law) and then I went to another practice (within the same vet group) to do exotic wound management for a day on a rabbit with a de-gloving injury to its hind leg. I was observed by the assessor in both practices and the other nurses in the practices took pictures of me being involoved in the cases on my phone so that I could then include them in my case log. I posted the cases to each assessor who then posted them back once marked. Any questions to cover the knowledge and understanding bits of each case were marked by my own assessor who countersigned the case. My IV or VNAC had no issues with this.

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shelly jefferies — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:36:38 GMT

I feel a few simulations are ok however they are no replacement for the real thing, if you are having to use alternative methods for that many things is your student going to be a competent nurse ? (sorry)

also if your practice is that quiet how do you maintain TP status?

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JaneRVN — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 19:08:40 GMT

You can't use professional discussions as it needs to practical skills that are logged.

Simulations are good - there is an RCVS guide to these. Its on my work computer. I'll dig it out and post it. There isnt a set limit to how many can be used. Overall QA are looking for evidence you have waited to see if cases appear. i.e. you dont assume you wont see it and set up a simulation too early. Therefore most people end up doing them in the month before exam entries. Is your student close enough to be considering OSCEs?

Witness statements are always good as it shows the student is working well with others and learning from more than one source. You can log the name of the witness.

Have they got access to any other placements that can give the cases needed? Esp ECC. It seems a bit mean that if you have such a low case load (are you an aTP) that they are expected to finish everything with you. Although ideally they have an end date, some take longer to get the cases, can you get in touch with a busier placement/contact college?

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Susan Jackson — Sat, 02 Feb 2013 17:57:05 GMT

Get a practice pet for the urine sample and set up a simulation. I would simulate the barrier nursing with an ordinary in patient that may not need it.

Sorry I don't know the new units 17 and 18.