Breeders doing vaccinations

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Charlotte says smile — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:31:13 GMT

It is something that really does annoy me. Its so dangerous and dishonest in alot of cases! There are a lot of puppy farms opening up around here giving out fake pedigrees aswell.

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Saskia Quinn — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:23:22 GMT

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right so it is Southern Ireland is it - apologies to Saskia if I misled her it was unintentional. Yes Elisha I know this happens

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Hey Sal, no need to apologise at all, its ok!

Makes me so cross though that this is available It is obviously a well known thing though if you guys across the water so to speak are aware of it!

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Sal the 1st — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 22:11:44 GMT

right so it is Southern Ireland is it - apologies to Saskia if I misled her it was unintentional. Yes Elisha I know this happens

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Elisha — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:24:49 GMT

Breeders / Owners can buy vaccines over the counter in human pharmacies.........apparently.......so i've heard.....in southern Ireland......

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Helen Freer — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:46:14 GMT

My family used to breed Chows and we did not sell them until they were 14-16 weeks old, so that they had been fully vaccinated and had at least a week extra before selling. I know many breeders sold their puppies at a younger age, one of the main reasons was the amount of food, as well as time and energy to look after them which is required from 8 -14 weeks, so most puppies were sold with only one vaccination done.

Over the years running a boarding establishment we have had problems with owners with unvaccinated or partially vaccinated animal which we have had to refuse to board due to: only had an injection to fleas; only had the first injection but the owner says the vet said it was ok! (and some vets have told us it is ok); cat does not go out so the cat does not need vaccinateing and the vet has agreed; cat/ dog is elderly so no longer needs vaccinating; resue societies(incl RSPCA) sold cats vaccinated but there was no record card provided to check so we assumed not vaccinated; we rang the vet for one owner who had forgotten their card and the vet said 'oh, yes I would have done it' but when asked when it was done he said that records were in the other surgery and he was only doing it from memory !!!!( we refused the dog until we saw the card the owners left and did not come back); vaccination stickers in but no signature by the vet( stickers had been put on card but just before vaccinateing found a problem and so had not vaccinated, but had given an injection which the owners assumed was the vaccination!); after a lapse of over 2 years one injections done ( we assume need to go back 3 weeks later but no note on the card) and so we ring the vet to check or if a Bank Hoilday refuse . Finally we wrote to the vaccine manufacturers for their recommendations and went by them. Over the years this has lead to many confontations with owners as to what is a vaccinated pet due to our licencing requirements, and how often it requires a booster vaccine. Why cannot all vets sing from the same hymn sheets.

Sorry for the rant but it is one of my annoyances

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:31:49 GMT

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There is a vet down Ayrshire way who signs annoymous vacccine records for the puppy farms down there. I have seen numerous cards with no name or address and a very vague description of a dog and her signature. I have thought many times about reporting her but what would happen???

Once a new vet came to work (in my previos practice) and he had lots of cat breeder clients. He used to sign blank vaccine cards for them, until I put my foot down and told him it was illegal and he could be struck off for it & under no circumstances were vaccine cards being left blank. The breeders weren't very happy - they said owners wanted their names in vaccine certificates, not the breeders name - anyone heard of Tippex?

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I know the person you are talking about... well not the person, but have come across a puppy from a puppy farm in Ayr, who had been vaccinated by the breeder!!!!!! she even signed the vacc certificate.I pointed out to the client that she was not qualified or allowed to do this, but they just nodded their head.

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Nicola Smith — Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:28:35 GMT

We had a pup in from a farm in wales the other day, she was told it was fully vaccinated but I always ask them to bring the card in so we cn check what it has had, I usually tell the owner its so we can make sure they get a reminder next year!! When we checked it had a card balnk except saying it was a tricolour collie except it was black and white, an all it had was a temporary parvo. The woman said how nice the man was - he put a few pups in a van and delivered to her to save her travelling to Wales - found him in bargain pages - aaarrghh. He apparently specialised in breeding dogs - had loads of different breeds!

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Fiona Leathers — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:29:45 GMT

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Sal the 1st — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:23:38 GMT

The vaccine isnt purchased from a practice it is purchased from a dispensary

slightly different but I have heard of some pigeon people who get their vaccine direct on a visit to Amsterdam of all places

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Saskia Quinn — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:23:25 GMT

Not a nice thought though from someone who comes from Northern Ireland. Does make me cross though that vets think they can get away with this gross misconduct all to make a few pounds!!

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Sal the 1st — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:20:40 GMT

The two breeders I am thinking about I think get it in Northern Ireland -( but could be wrong) I know that it originates in Ireland (they even used to brag about it in the waiting room in front of other clients - telling them how much cheaper it would be to get their own vaccine!)

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Saskia Quinn — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:16:46 GMT

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Have come across this problem many many times - where do they get the vaccine?- Ireland - where it can still be bought over the counter (unless things have changed very very recently). You often find one breeder will go across and buy a load of vaccine and then redistribute it among their breeder friends.

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Mmmm, thats interesting Sal, you say Ireland? Which area, Northern Ireland or in the south?? I work in a practice in Northern Ireland and I can honestly say, we do not carry out this kind of behaviour.

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Sal the 1st — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:12:41 GMT

I have also seen vaccination records which are supposedly from other practices that are completely blank except for the batch numbers. If these are genuinely from other veterinary practices why are they being let out like this?

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Sal the 1st — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:09:37 GMT

who is to say this vaccine has been stored properly?and is in fact still effective or the correct vaccine given in the first place? and who is to say that the vaccine hasnt been given using a syringe and needle that may have had multiple uses?

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Maisy — Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:06:47 GMT

It does seem to be a fairly common problem in some areas. Vaccines can somehow be obtained via the internet which is dubious enough, though have been informed by a breeder that her vet was happy to supply the vaccs for breeder to do at home.

As for the tripe, I will never understand breeder obsession with it??! Tripe and weetabix seems to be a staple diet for some pups we get in