Interesting facts about obesity needed

Re: Interesting facts about obesity needed

Louise Smith — Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:05:21 GMT

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[quote user="Jennifer Marshall"]Within 48hours of neutering an animal will want to eat 1/3 more food than before.[/quote]

I have always thought this was a myth, alongside the fact that neutered animals always get fat. Do you know where I can find the research for this?

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from doing my uni dissertation on obesity i have found this article which provides research related to neutering and obesity

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:SlpthqOCNysJ:www.opn-usa.com/docs/prev/(5).pdf+the+epidemiology+of+canine+and+feline+obesity&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj1EOhvXN1fq75v_kBVaSS2_0IDH54C_6EA7FW1jl61x8mnbScIc218BxLUjnWhGjzTpVpG98kjLK-3K-XFj7Fy41P6IiWTk6VPpkG2cxN30YZweSpbL7nsEN8r-GwwsudHcSja&sig=AHIEtbSAuppyDEwk3EZ_PS-08iKFPuU82A

hope this helps

Re: Interesting facts about obesity needed

Jennifer Marshall — Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:15:55 GMT

It was all research recently done by Royal Canin, the notes and everything we got at the cpd were up to date (at least I hope they were!) The lady who presented the lecture was vet called Cathrine-Mary Howard who from memory I think works at the university of liverpool vet school and I'm sure if you contacted BVNA they could give you the lecture notes from the cpd (it was the 4th annual scotland cpd day), hope this helps!

Re: Interesting facts about obesity needed

Jill Macdonald — Wed, 07 Mar 2012 16:41:55 GMT

Only thing I can think of is 'a Yorkie will kill a Yorkie', but that's rather off piste!

Re: Interesting facts about obesity needed

Gillian Mostyn — Tue, 06 Mar 2012 23:08:46 GMT

[quote user="Jennifer Marshall"]Within 48hours of neutering an animal will want to eat 1/3 more food than before.[/quote]

I have always thought this was a myth, alongside the fact that neutered animals always get fat. Do you know where I can find the research for this?

[quote user="Jennifer Marshall"]I think its worth mentioning increased anaesthetic risk. The fat stores more anaesthetic agent this means more agent to induce but then slower recovery time. [/quote]

Didn't the fat stores stuff just relate to thiopentone, which is no longer in use? However, I agree that the anaesthetic risk is higher due to physiological factors.

Re: Interesting facts about obesity needed

Mark Hedberg — Tue, 06 Mar 2012 20:30:04 GMT

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I wanna try to avoid using rep stuff as much as I can and make it personal to the hospital...

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That's a fair point, but so much nutritional research is sponsored by pet food companies these days it's not always easy to find something they haven't done.

Re: Interesting facts about obesity needed

Jennifer Marshall — Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:34:50 GMT

Hi Stuart

I recently went to really good BVNA CPD and these are some of the general things I took away from it:

Within 48hours of neutering an animal will want to eat 1/3 more food than before.

A Royal Canin study that used Labradors showed that obesity on average, lowered life span from an average of 13 y to 11.2 years. So in general longevity of life is decreased.

Obese animals are more likely to have joint issues, exercise intolerance, DM(in cats), reduction in immunity (obese animals are less resistant to infection than animals fed a balanced diet), more likely to suffer from pancreatitis (obese animals > lipid plasma concentrations), increased risk of urolithiasis (don't get up and move around as much > urine concentration as not peeing as much).

I think its worth mentioning increased anaesthetic risk. The fat stores more anaesthetic agent this means more agent to induce but then slower recovery time.

http://www.hillspet.co.uk/en-gb/weight-management/treat-translator-dog.html :this is the link to Hills website which shows the equivalent of human foods to animals

I hope this helps!

Re: Interesting facts about obesity needed

Roseann21 — Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:13:53 GMT

[quote user="Stuart McQueen RVN MBVNA"]I wanna try to avoid using rep stuff as much as I can and make it personal to the hospital... [/quote]

That's why I suggested incorporating it into your own stuff

Re: Interesting facts about obesity needed

Stuart McQueen RVN MBVNA — Sun, 26 Feb 2012 12:25:11 GMT

I wanna try to avoid using rep stuff as much as I can and make it personal to the hospital...

Re: Interesting facts about obesity needed

funkyfish — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 21:20:59 GMT

I did some research into how many calories a 10kg, 20kg,30kg dog needed. Then put how may calories in a biscuit, glass of milk etc. You would be surprised at how few calories they need! The pet food manufacturer website sometimes has interesting statistics on stuff.

Also because of how efficient dogs are at extracting energy from food (due to being a scavenger species)- they can get 80-90% of the energy from something they eat, we can max get 40%! So its not just that they are smaller then us, they are way more efficient with their food then we are.

I got a whole heap of info from searching stuff on www.ivis.org.uk

I also talk about the social differences between the species (from Patricia McConnal's book - The Other end of the Leash), we as primates socialise around food, we go for coffee, have people around for dinner etc. Dogs do not socialise around food- its too important a resource!! They play, and groom each other and just hang out. Dogs don't think we are being 'nice' when we feed them food, yes they like it- but they would like it if it came out of a vending machine, not just cos their owner gave it to them. They don't think of it as social bonding. If the owner played/brushed them they would think it was special bonding time. So if they want their dog to think they are doing something just for them, then food is not they way forward- the dog is not getting the same message.

Re: Interesting facts about obesity needed

Roseann21 — Sat, 25 Feb 2012 10:42:45 GMT

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I'm looking for stuff like... if you feed your dog a digestive biscuit it's like eating 2 roast dinners... just to make them think about feeding titbits..

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If you contact your Royal Canin and Hills reps, they should both have charts showing this sort of example - if you wanted to incorporate it into your own stuff, you could do (although obviously you won't get hold of them at the weekend (