Guide to Professional Conduct!!! I'm confused

Re: Guide to Professional Conduct!!! I'm confused

Phrin Vernon RVN — Fri, 09 Dec 2011 00:41:18 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

As far as I am aware, you can use a POM to euthanase an animal - what you can't do is prescribe it. ie you can administer the drug if a veterinary surgeon has directed you to do so.

But I am happy to be corrected if I have misunderstood the rules....

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That has always been my understanding too. I have euthanased many animals - in kennels, or in the back room, always with the vets consent (so therefore prescription) of course, and obviously signed consent from the owner.

Re: Guide to Professional Conduct!!! I'm confused

Gillian Mostyn — Fri, 09 Dec 2011 00:16:22 GMT

VNs can administer anaesthetic agents. They just aren't allowed to titrate the dose. Thus you could give ketamine etc, just not a titrated dose of propofol. Obviously they are allowed if they are under the direct supervision of a VS.

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Rachael_24 — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 20:44:01 GMT

[quote user="Stuart Ford-Fennah BSc(Hons),RVN,MBVNA"]

I do find it sliglty amusuing we are now alwed to euthanase but not to induce anaesthesia :-)

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Ah, but anaesthetic induction agents are given 'to effect'. VN's are not suitably qualified to decide the dose that should be administered. Not that I agree with this mind!! Euth agents on the other hand are given at x dose (often higher).

Re: Guide to Professional Conduct!!! I'm confused

F1chick — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:19:31 GMT

[quote user="Stuart Ford-Fennah BSc(Hons),RVN,MBVNA"]

Hi,

I do find it sliglty amusuing we are now alwed to euthanase but not to induce anaesthesia :-)

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Yes, but if you over induce anaesthesia you kill them,. euthanasia, that is the aim. Personally, I wouldn't like the responsibility, but I get your point

Re: Guide to Professional Conduct!!! I'm confused

Stuart Ford-Fennah — Thu, 08 Dec 2011 17:09:47 GMT

Hi,

I do find it sliglty amusuing we are now alwed to euthanase but not to induce anaesthesia :-)

Re: Guide to Professional Conduct!!! I'm confused

Louise B — Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:55:23 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

As far as I am aware, you can use a POM to euthanase an animal - what you can't do is prescribe it. ie you can administer the drug if a veterinary surgeon has directed you to do so.

But I am happy to be corrected if I have misunderstood the rules....

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That's the impression I am under too. I don't think I phrased myself well above!

Re: Guide to Professional Conduct!!! I'm confused

Gillian Mostyn — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:37:56 GMT

As far as I am aware, you can use a POM to euthanase an animal - what you can't do is prescribe it. ie you can administer the drug if a veterinary surgeon has directed you to do so.

But I am happy to be corrected if I have misunderstood the rules....

Re: Guide to Professional Conduct!!! I'm confused

Louise B — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:23:52 GMT

[quote user="dinny_06"]

But it is ok for us to use these drugs?

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To the best of my knowledge no. perhaps a good reason for training VNs in cervical dislocation as it isn't as easy as it looks! I generally elect for cervical dislocation if I come across small non-viable wildlife as I think it is more humane than taking them to the vets.

Re: Guide to Professional Conduct!!! I'm confused

Louise B — Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:21:07 GMT

[quote user="Dippy"]

As I understand it, euthanasia can be carried out by anyone, even Joe public, if an animal is in distress, as long as it's done humanely and quickly. However, what they cannot do, is use the drugs we have in practice. Therefore, it's ok if you see a squished bird at the side of the road but still alive to break its neck or similar but you couldn't inject it. I think...?

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Yes, basically. That's it.

Re: Guide to Professional Conduct!!! I'm confused

Sal the 1st — Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:17:46 GMT

I think your best answer on that will come from the RCVS themselves.

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dinny_06 — Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:16:24 GMT

But it is ok for us to use these drugs?

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Dippy — Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:24:41 GMT

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Vicky RVN — Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:29:22 GMT

As far as i'm aware euthanasia is something we can do. Have carried it out on pets on direction of a VS, into an animals IV line. Have only seen it done by a VN a couple of times. I have euth many wildlife cases, either by direction of VS or when I was on site on my own if wildlife was brought in that was clearly neeeded euth ASAP (broken wings, flystrike etc).