Dog stuck in kennel door...

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Sophie Bedford RVN CertVNECC — Mon, 31 Oct 2011 17:48:56 GMT

Hi - I'm really concerned by the above as we've been sent a pack of it by Vetplus saying that it is NOT a medication and ANYONE can sell it over the counter in the same way as we would sell feliway etc.... If this is not licensed in the UK how can they do this??

The rep gave no information that this 'drug' would interact with any other medication and certainly gave no contraindications for its use!

This is very worrying - should I be reporting the rep for misleading information or is this is just standard practice to try and get their meds on the shelf??

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Sophie Bedford RVN CertVNECC — Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:01:58 GMT

I haven't seen animals get their heads stuck in the kennel doors but I did walk into dog ward to find a work experience student got her hand stuck when she tried to poke it through the bars of one of the walk in kennels to play with our nurses puppy... we managed to get it out but it was very funny!! She didn't do it again needless to say but the puppy thought she had a friend for life!

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

loobylou — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 23:15:33 GMT

Have seen this happen one or two times but luckily we have always managed to free them without any problems. We've also had kittens get their heads stuck too- again being released with no problems.
We did have a dog escape from a kennel overnight once! We have some big walk in kennels which have gated fronts with vertical bars. The dog in question managed to bend two bars and squeeze himself through. The first nurse in was greeted to a rather large german shepherd wandering around the waiting room, no damage to the dog but lots of scratches on doors and he'd managed to open a box of chews

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Sal the 1st — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 22:19:29 GMT

the greenhouse/birdroom that I dismantled earlier in the year - a lage part of it was made of this

http://www.makrolon.com/bms/db-rsc/makroloncmsr6.nsf/id/home_en

now some of this stuff is actually bullet proof and is used to make riot shields i have used it in the past to fit a screen inside the kennel door reaching about half way up, it does prevent this happening and i have yet to see a dog that can destroy it.

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Anna Rayne — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:23:10 GMT

Seen one case - was a staffie and square bars too. Managed to get door off hinges and the movement enabled dog to free himself, no damage done.

Know a friends practice that had a dog do it overnight several years ago whilst wearing a buster collar - that was rectangular bars, bent the bars and broke its bottom jaw quite badly in the process. Dog was referred and fixed, but they were all horrified by it. Think it might have been a labrador.

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Louise B — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:13:07 GMT

We had a cat that did this with their leg. Weaved it in and out of the bars and ended up with a compound fracture. Had to have the leg amputated.

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

helenm — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:17:12 GMT

I have seen this happen 3 times in my nursing career, all with the rectangular cage fronts. The dogs are then usually moved to a different type of cage.

The first was my own dog who I was able to rescue easily as she is a Chihuahua, that was years ago but the other two I have seen were both within this last year. I was struggling to free one of them and was seriously contemplating calling the fire brigade but it managed to get free. It is a worry if the kennels is not supervised.

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Nicola Smith — Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:11:45 GMT

I have seen this hapen twice. First time a few years ago collie bit on bars then couldnt reopen her mouth wide enough to free herself - luckily kennel with 2 doors so went and sat in and held her head as she was trying to pull back and worried she may fracture the jaw - ended up sedating her and fire brigde had to come and cut the door as even sedated couldnt remove! Second time a few weeks ago a staffie chewing bars in the dog run outside and did the same luckily freed himself quite quickly - just as I was about to try to vault over the 6ft run wall!!!

It is a concern. We only have small kennels with solid doors and even then find they get quite warm after a while. Our dog run is square mesh so can happen whatever the shape!

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Steph Worsley — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:22:38 GMT

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Luckily I have never seen this happen .

What about using Zylkene/Calmex. Calmex may be more useful as it can work within 30-60 minutes of administration. I am starting to advice Zylkene use a few days before admission now, not everyone takes it up, but I suppose we could use Calmex instead on admission for those that dont.

We also have a DAP plugged in, but I not sure how useful this is.

It doesnt solve the problem of the kennel doors, but it may help de stress the patients.

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I've heard a rumour that calmex does not interact well with some other drugs well (can't remember which ones) so might not be the best idea.

We have several daps plugged in, you could always try having a few bandannas that you can spray with dap and place on the stressy dogs

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speak to the Vetplus rep/vet. There are several possible contraindications with calmex beacuse it is a sedative and works on the same part of the brain as some other sedative drugs Calmex has Piper Methysticum in it which is a plant extract which acts as a muscle relaxant, sedative and as an anxiolytic. If you speak to the techinical team they can tell you all about it.

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To be honest I will never use it where I am but I didn't want people to go about using it and then having potential problems when mixing it with other drugs. From the literature I have seen they aren't very forth coming about the possible contraindications.

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Emma Gerrard Dip AVN (SA) DipHe CVN BSc (Hons) CVN RVN KSQP RAM — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:18:04 GMT

[quote user="Steph Worsley"]

[quote user="Emma Gerrard Dip AVN (SA) BSc (Hons) CVN,RVN,MBVNA"]

Luckily I have never seen this happen .

We also have a DAP plugged in, but I not sure how useful this is.

It doesnt solve the problem of the kennel doors, but it may help de stress the patients.

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I've heard a rumour that calmex does not interact well with some other drugs well (can't remember which ones) so might not be the best idea.

We have several daps plugged in, you could always try having a few bandannas that you can spray with dap and place on the stressy dogs

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Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Steph Worsley — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:51:44 GMT

[quote user="Emma Gerrard Dip AVN (SA) BSc (Hons) CVN,RVN,MBVNA"]

Luckily I have never seen this happen .

We also have a DAP plugged in, but I not sure how useful this is.

It doesnt solve the problem of the kennel doors, but it may help de stress the patients.

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I've heard a rumour that calmex does not interact well with some other drugs well (can't remember which ones) so might not be the best idea.

We have several daps plugged in, you could always try having a few bandannas that you can spray with dap and place on the stressy dogs

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Emma Purnell — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:26:19 GMT

[quote user="Emma Gerrard Dip AVN (SA) BSc (Hons) CVN,RVN,MBVNA"]

Luckily I have never seen this happen .

We also have a DAP plugged in, but I not sure how useful this is.

It doesnt solve the problem of the kennel doors, but it may help de stress the patients.

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Thank you Emma, I will see if we can recommend this in future. We have a DAP in place already. Oddly, until the op, in fact until the 5 minutes this happened in, he seemed less stressed than most of the animals we see! Typical!

Our bars were rectangular hence the problem, he could get in sidewards but not the right way up!

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Emma Gerrard Dip AVN (SA) DipHe CVN BSc (Hons) CVN RVN KSQP RAM — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:04:44 GMT

Luckily I have never seen this happen .

We also have a DAP plugged in, but I not sure how useful this is.

It doesnt solve the problem of the kennel doors, but it may help de stress the patients.

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Aimee Barber — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 14:41:57 GMT

i've had this happen a few times. It seem to be the bars that are square rather than rectangle (if you get that)

One dog we manadged to turn/pull/push him free. Another we ended up sedating and having to cut the bars!!! this one was then put into another kennel and the plastic (heavy duty, 1 inch thick) kennel divider was put against the inside of the kennel door.

The most recent one was a standard poodle which got its top jaw stuck!! it had never been left on his own let alone in kennels. but with the panic of his GDV this wasnt mentioned to us. So at 2.30am when i heard an almighty racket i went in to find him screaming and stuck. Luckly got him free but he had already cut his nose very badly and pulled out a canine thank god th eowners were so pleased we had saved the dogs life they wern't too bad and they also apologised for not telling us.

I do get lots of naughty dogs (mainly adolesent labradors) chewing the bars and normally a strict NO! and a tap on the offended part poking through will stop them doing it any further.

it is the worse thing when it happens, so i do sympathise. its mainly the dog panicing that i hate.

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Ilovehorses — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:34:39 GMT

In 20yrs I've seen this happen twice in practice. Both times very distressing for us and the dogs. Can't see any real way of preventing it though!

Re: Dog stuck in kennel door...

Dippy — Wed, 26 Oct 2011 13:28:04 GMT

I don't know the answer but a practice I used to work in years ago had the same thing happen with a Boxer and he made his gums/tongue bleed quite badly as he was in such a blind panic. We had two types of kennel there so our answer was to move him into the other type and I've never seen it happen again anywhere else!