Radios in practice

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Sally Howe — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:23:24 GMT

We have been told too that we can't have a radio on........

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Sal the 1st — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 21:37:32 GMT

well I am sorry but I can understand why people break the law on this one- part of your licencing fee goes to PRS and then you have to pay the PRS again to listen to the radio at work. Bet the vet practices that boast tvs and radios in the kennels area will be paying through the nose for this - or not? I shall have to try this one sometime at work and charge the client to make them an appointment , and then charge them again when they have been to their appointment - same principle, nice little money spinner there

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les punton — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 21:07:17 GMT

I heard about this a while back as my friend owns her own hairdressers and she was moaning about it. It is annoying from our point of view because I think it can make a happier working environment!

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Caro Laithwaite VN — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:44:05 GMT

We had a copyright argument with someone once. they refused to pay for a video we had produced and threatened to sue us for taking his tape away from him. Well me actually as l did it and dealt with him Brian was busy away that day.

I smiled sweetly and said please feel free to contact your lawyer and let him know, here is my details/company name and reason we took it. Within 10 days l had a letter of apology from a very expensive local law firm on behalf of their client and a cheque for the amount, he said that he had now explained the law to his client and promised there would be no more problems.

I didn't need to lift a finger he broke a criminal law and l had him bang to rights l knew it, his lawyer knew it but he figured that it didn't apply to him, he learnt it did.

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Caro Laithwaite VN — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:37:12 GMT

It is private to you BUT you are the public. The key is not what it is to the place you work at even if it was a toilet cubical. You need to realise the people listening to it ie you are "the public" hence the place is deemed public and needs a licence. And depending how that space is used you pay different fees.

The licence fee goes towards the people who produced the music who wrote it who played it a whole list that will be named when the music was lodged with the copyright society. Every record that a radio station plays pays a fee to the copyright soc. which passes it out to those the list as well as taking their chunk in admin fees, hence having adverts to help pay for the music and people who produce those adverts will also have paid out copyright licence fees based on use even the BBC pay, a large part of your licence fee goes on copyright fees.

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Steph Phillips — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:28:11 GMT

[quote user="Steph Worsley"]Steph, it can be seen as breach of copyright, just like playing a film dvd to a waiting room full of people is, you have to be licensed for these things. Stupid I know but thems the rules[/quote]

LOL!! yup.. it's stoopid! waiting room, i'd tend to agree, but not an area where it says 'staff only' lol

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Steph Phillips — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:24:45 GMT

[quote user="Sal the 1st"]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRS_for_Music

just found this - so it would seem factories do need it - even tho most dont, but maybe you could stretch the patient treatment areas a bit?

[/quote]

Taken from the wiki page:

Around 350,000 UK businesses ^[4] have paid for a licence from the PRS, but some workplaces do not need one:

Inpatient and treatment areas in hospitals
Medical day centres
Residential homes (in most circumstances)
Music used in divine worship (although licences are required for copyrighted music)
Civil wedding ceremonies and partnership ceremonies
Lone and home workers.^[5

guess that says that we don't need a licence then?? surely we'd come under inpatient and treatment areas!

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Steph Worsley — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:24:41 GMT

Steph, it can be seen as breach of copyright, just like playing a film dvd to a waiting room full of people is, you have to be licensed for these things. Stupid I know but thems the rules

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Steph Phillips — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:21:04 GMT

One Question.... why? even it was seen as a public place (which like many of you, I don't think prep room / ops room is!) .. why have a licence for music? we always play the radio.. vet prefers it! lol... it's not like we got it on a high volume or anything..

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Sal the 1st — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:21:34 GMT

I cant understand this then - I have worked in quite a few factories where there is definitely no PRS licence (and I presume this is what we are talking about here) where there has been not only a radio but tapes or cds used

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRS_for_Music

just found this - so it would seem factories do need it - even tho most dont, but maybe you could stretch the patient treatment areas a bit?

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SmegSlayer — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:07:30 GMT

If you were to imagine 5 horizontal blocks:

W A I T I N G R O O M

C O N S U L T R O O M S

K E N N E L R O O M

P R E P R O O M

T H E A T R E S

so the radio isn't heard by clients in the consult rooms obviously so definately not in the waiting room. Apparently you can get a £4500 fine

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Steph Worsley — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:04:34 GMT

I suppose it all depends on the location of the prep room in relation to the waiting room and if the door is ever propped open

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Sal the 1st — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 09:33:09 GMT

the prep area is a public place? - the waiting room maybe but unless you have a constant stream of general public going through the prep area I cant see it somehow?

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Dippy — Sun, 07 Aug 2011 01:05:20 GMT

Yep, Caro's right. I had to buy a license to play my saddo Christmas carol cd over the PA system at an open day I once did! I think this is why some of the larger chain stores have their "own" radio station as it work sout cheaper for them (apart from the fact they use it to advertise of course)but it's down to the copyright of the songs played.

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Caro Laithwaite VN — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:54:11 GMT

It is still classed as public Nick no matter how it arrives radio, tv, internet or even cd/tape/record and you are classed as public and hence a public place copyright law applies. In fact you will find the shops do have a licence if they don't they will get notified at some point that they need one. This also applies if you play music down the phone or use in any way unless the music played is exempt from copyright which is a very narrow band. We used to have membership of the copyright soc. for music we have used on CD's/Tapes we produced in the past. it is very detailed as to how/when/what the recording will be used for & how many copies will be produced.

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Nick Shackleton — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:38:06 GMT

if this is the case them stream live music over the internet.

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Sarah Southworth RVN CertVNECC — Sat, 06 Aug 2011 22:30:09 GMT

[quote user="SmegSlayer"]

The practice I am currently at has had to get rid of the radio in the prep room because apparently it qualifies as a public place and you need a license costing £68 a year to play a radio in a public place. The prep room seems so quiet now some of us have resorted to singing anyway

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what thats stupid, who has decided that its a public area?. Its a workplace, you dont have public going through all day. I cant imagine all the shops in shopping centres having a license. booo