In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Katie B — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 21:46:16 GMT

[quote user="therainyj"]

Hi Katie,

My previous practice told me to sign a contract forcing me to pay £6,000 back if I left within 2 years of qualifying. Needless to say, I told them where to stick it and left.

Check the VN Times and such for SVN vacancies. A lot of places will pay you to work for them, and pay for your training, and often only ask for 6 months work post qualifying. I'd be reluctant to try to pay for training off my own back if there's other ways for it to be done.

Hope this helps

[/quote]

Cheers hun, that is what I am planning to do. I have a lot to offer any practice that takes me on so hopefully after my VCA I can put this plan into action.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

therainyj — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 20:56:22 GMT

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Katie B — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 18:04:34 GMT

Congratulation hun on your new job. Thats what I want to find after my VCA but just hope to get VCA position straight after my course.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

maylane — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 16:38:40 GMT

I have just got a full time job training at a referral practice, I will work a 40 hour week and get paid £12,500 per year with all my college and exam fees for the diploma paid for me by the practice. My course is one day a week at college. The wages go up by £1,000 after the first year and then again when you qualify.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Katie B — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:39:04 GMT

Oh don't worry guys I have no intention of doing it this way. Just wanted to know if this was normal as it was shocking to me. Who can afford to do that? I am starting my Vca in September, have placement at lovely practice, then will look for Vca position whilst I apply for svn position. Their was about 40 people who turned up though so just shows how many people are desperate to get into the vn world.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Fuzzyduck — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:34:07 GMT

Ive never heard of it, and have been in charge of recruitment in practice so how many other practices wont have heard of it? My guess is lots.

Bottom line if its not recognised by the RCVS, its pretty much useless, and alot of money to throw away.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Katie B — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 22:31:18 GMT

It's called animal nursing diploma, you would qualify and be able to put CAN after your name which is apparently Recognised with pratices, it's their own qualification.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

GremlinNurse — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:26:28 GMT

Sounds dodgy to me hun.....I would worry that practices know how desperate people are to get into nursing, particularly on the job training, that they may be taking advantage of that desperation.

12 grand is alot of money....uni would cost you more but at least you'd have a transferable skill, ie a VN degree! :)

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Fuzzyduck — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 18:18:12 GMT

So you are basically paying £12,000 to qualify as a nothing then as i am understanding it? You pay them £12,000 and after 2 years you are no more qualified as seen by the RCVS than my mother?

Sounds like a money making scheme to me, ive never even heard anything like it, i mean ive heard of practices doing their own in house training which is fine, but to charge for it when you dont gain anything at the end of it is mind boggling?!

I know the RCVS isnt perfect by any stretch of the imagination but they are the ones who are in charge, they set the rules and if you want to be an RVN or qualified nurse then you have to sit the RCVS exams however bad they are!!

I know how desperate you are to get in to nursing Katie but honestly i think you are wasting your money, all our trainees are paid minimum wage and their course fees are paid for by the practice, thats the way it should be in my opinion.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

james hunter — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:14:23 GMT

Also if you train as a block release student then ideally the practice pays for your tuition, exams, etc. and also pays you for working for them. i worked as a block release student for the last 6 months of my VN training and was paid quite a competitive amount for it!

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

james hunter — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 17:12:01 GMT

what do they mean by qualifying as an 'animal nurse'? what exactly is that? Myself and others who have trained with RCVS accredited colleges or universitys are classed as veterinary nurses, I would be worried that although you may gain a lot of experience with them you may well not have any kind of qualification that would allow you to get a job in the veterinary world (if that is what you want!)

Go to college or university and do the veterinary nursing degree/diploma, they are at least regulated by the RCVS and UK traained VNs are quite highly sought after all over the world as well as the UK.

I wouldnt consider paying someone to allow me to work for them, it sounds like the practice are getting all the benefits and you are going to be the one loosing out!

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Sal the 1st — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:35:22 GMT

[quote user="Katie B"]You qualify as an animal nurse after 2 years and then you can do the rcvs with them. But they are trying to get the rcvs to join the qualification together. In regards to the £12,000 for the two years they said that's the same cost as university.

[/quote]

now I am interested! if this is a more practice friendly training than the current RCVS approved mess I can see this becoming popular. This is sounding very much like the VCA/ANA to me at the moment. I do know of another practice that delivers a very good inhouse training. Not so sure about training at a cost AND working for free tho that still doesnt sound quite right unless you would be entitled to some sort of grant or bursary - but then if the course doesnt carry accreditation I cant see that would be the case

I do feel that we need a viable alternative to the RCVS approved training currently in place

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Maisy — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 10:19:54 GMT

Seems a lot to pay if the course doesn't enable you to qualify as a VN at the end of it. May as well pay for the VCA/ANA otherwise as there would be no difference in job role.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Selena Carnell — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 09:32:01 GMT

what qualification do you get at the end of the two yrs? HND? city and guilds? i'm not quite understanding? is it their own course? if so then then it would be worth nothing reallly.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Katie B — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 08:26:31 GMT

You qualify as an animal nurse after 2 years and then you can do the rcvs with them. But they are trying to get the rcvs to join the qualification together. In regards to the £12,000 for the two years they said that's the same cost as university.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Selena Carnell — Tue, 28 Jun 2011 07:20:10 GMT

so its their own training course, do you get to sit the RCVS exams to qulaify? otherwise you basically have no qualifications, i don't see how they ca justify getting you to pay £6000, ok it was a long time ago but it cost me less that 2 grand to do a block release course with all exam etc,, mind you this was the yr before then portfolio came into existance. something doesnt sit right with this and i would check with BVNA or RCVS

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Katie B — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 23:06:05 GMT

I am 100% correct, don't want to pit the practice down but it is in Suffolk. You don't go to college, they train you upstairs in a class room, I thought it was all very strange.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Susan Jackson — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 22:49:34 GMT

Hi, I had to work for free when I trained, but I was never charged for my training.

I know that the apprentiships (new qualification) are usually government sponsered so they only cost about £400 for the practice to register a student. Registration for a practice as a TP (with college - not RCVS) is about £600 to £1000 but thats for all students. I'd say that's a bit of a rip off to charge the student especially when you give them hours labour. You save the TP about £6000 a year.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

chloehaddow — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 18:16:43 GMT

i know that rvc give nurses 3 monthly placements and these are voluntary, as the student we had had to rely on her student loan, but if other colleges do get you a paid position, then great!

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Louise B — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:45:09 GMT

At Harper Adams students are paid by the practice for their year long placement in practice.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

sarahjune84 — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:42:53 GMT

i trained at an 'in house' training practice and i didnt have to pay for it, tho the pay was poor. I worked a 40hr+ week, on call and was paid £95 a week. That was in 2002.

if its true and you have to pay, your better of going to uni and doing the degree!

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

chloehaddow — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:40:37 GMT

Degree work placements are voluntary unfortunately, as are the placements for a diploma, however, work based with a days leave are still paid. I would certainly not trust this place, it sounds like they are just trying to make money. speak to your local vet nursing college maybe?

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Katherine Spear — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:35:03 GMT

is this in the uk? Whats the place called? maybe your wrong about not the details?It doesnt sound rigth atall?you should certainly not be working for free, you mst have to be minimum wage at least? And is it not stil the case that even your teaching hours have to be paid for? Id say speak to the BVNA or RCVS about the best way to train. Theres no point doing all that and its not even qualifying you? QVNs are always highly sought over with jobs so dont worry about that. Degree route may we a better option, even the placements from that are paid arent they? They used to be certainly.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Katie B — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:01:39 GMT

[quote user="Sal the 1st"]

this doesnt sound quite right? is it an apprenticeship by any chance?

[/quote] No your classed as a trainee. You become an animal nurse and then you can choose to do the rcvs diploma in vet nursing with them, it all just didn't add up really.

Re: In house nurse training £12,000, what the he'll?

Katie B — Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:59:33 GMT

[quote user="Katietaz"]

[quote user="Katie B"]it was £6,000 a year, you would work 35 hours for free [/quote]

You have to pay them £6k??? Or am I reading it wrong - that's all you'd earn?????

When I started training (1991!) I got £65 p/wk - which works out around £3k p/year, but the practice did pay for the college fees (day release or block - you could choose), all our uniforms and RCVS registration.

K x

[/quote] That was I pay £6000, not they pay me!