Very allergic dog

Re: Very allergic dog

shropshirelass_1987 — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:49:49 GMT

Well in my last practice we sold tons of Burns foods & most of our customers swore by it, and I'd love to put Seb on it if I could afford the £40 per 15kg bags but it is good stuff xx

Re: Very allergic dog

Vicky RVN — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 21:09:57 GMT

I'd be inclined to go for the Burns. That is what I feed Jack on (fish and rice) and he does really well on it. He was on JW before and didn't get on with it very well, had soft faeces. Had a client in the other day who's dog was on Burns, fine on it, changed to JW and dog had frequent soft faeces.

Re: Very allergic dog

Sally Howe — Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:28:36 GMT

Looks like I've got 3 choices of food for this dog:

Burns fish and maize

JWB ocean fish and veg (but does have potato flakes)

Evo Herring and Salmon- has anyone heard of them???

Re: Very allergic dog

Phrin Vernon RVN — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 23:04:59 GMT

I'm not really very up to date on diets - apologies, but just wanted to add that when my son was small, a doc told me that the only things not to have triggered an allergic reaction in humans (to date - was around 2005/2006), were potatoes and lamb!

Never looked into it - but was just a bit shocked to see them in Sallys opening post - every day is a school day as they say, as I have had to admit recently on the tick thread

Re: Very allergic dog

shropshirelass_1987 — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 19:30:06 GMT

Poor dog have you tried Burns? as they have this Fish & maize dried food or is he allergic to maize to? Other wise it might be worth suggesting they mix their own foods for him eg things like fish or rabbit meat, peas ect on the advice of the vets to try & give him the best ballenced diet possible.

Heres the link for the Burns food anyways: http://burnspet.co.uk/products/burns-for-dogs/fish-maize-dog-food.html

Hope this helps ann xx

Re: Very allergic dog

Sally Howe — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 18:37:52 GMT

Fish 4 dogs is potato so no good.

Going to suggest JWB Ocean Fish and Vegetable and see how it goes. The owner's parents are not co-operative as they've "bred bullys for years and they are well known for having bad skin, its in the breed" type people so would rather go for a prepared diet.

Re: Very allergic dog

funkyfish — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:57:01 GMT

I have a cat who has high allergies (4/5) to everything except ocean white fish (no oily fish allowed) and rice/sweat potato. Started on home made diet then moved cat out to parents in the country with no other cats around, he now eats JWB white fish and rice (which has some soya which he has high allergies to ) and he is fine, think he may have been stressed as muti cat house cat and that flared up allergies. Now he is chilled out its not a probelm for him.

Have you looked at the fish for dogs range of food and treats? What about stag bar as treats? (deer antler pieces- awesome for getting plaque off!!)

Re: Very allergic dog

Vicky RVN — Sun, 12 Jun 2011 22:25:03 GMT

Oh no I can see that causing problems. Surely the idea of the fish is it's a more unique food source so less likely to react? Whereas duck is less unique? Hmm that deal could def be expensive...but they must make enough money to do it!

Re: Very allergic dog

Mrs Dot Dot — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 22:11:54 GMT

[quote user="Vicky RVN"]

[quote user="Sally Roberts"]Royal canin are getting rid of the white fish and tapioca [/quote]

Blimey I didn't know that! What are they doing instead?

[/quote]

Vicky, They are replacing the blue whiting with duck... not so sure that is a good idea... but the Gov't have cut BW fishing quotas by 90% so instead of trying to find another white fish again (they changed from capelin to BW a few years ago... do you remember?) they are changing to duck because it can be farmed more easily and is more long term... we are just beginning to get 1.5kg feline bags thru, which are supposed to have stickers on wher O's can reg on-line and get a free bag for them to use in the change over period but ours haven't... not sure if RCW have changed their minds... could be expensive for them.......

Re: Very allergic dog

Catherine Raymond — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 22:10:15 GMT

It is duck and tapioca for the dried canine food. Apparently fishing quotas have been reduced and so they have had to reformulate

Re: Very allergic dog

Vicky RVN — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 21:25:15 GMT

[quote user="Sally Roberts"]Royal canin are getting rid of the white fish and tapioca [/quote]

Blimey I didn't know that! What are they doing instead?

Re: Very allergic dog

Teresa House — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 21:09:22 GMT

Is it both white & brown rice that this dog is allergic to?

Re: Very allergic dog

Susan Jackson — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 20:26:43 GMT

You're going to find it hard to find a diet that doesn't contain 1 or two of the ingredients that you've listed. The ones that come up as a true allergic i would avoid the most. My cat has the same problem and is allergic to similar products.

I worked my way through different foods until I found one that seemed to make her itch the least and improved coat condition. Started with Hills DD, then RCW sensitivity and then Hills zd. Only hydrolysed proteins would work for her. As much as possible she only eats this. I found that although the food is slightly more to buy, I don't need to feed her too much.

Contact Hills I know sometimes they have offers and your rep may be able to supply you with a free 5kg bag of something to try..... ....... you never know till you ask.

Re: Very allergic dog

Catherine Raymond — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:32:22 GMT

Also, if they are that responsive to beef/pork/chicken make sure that the owner doesn't give any pedigree treats/logic chews/dentarasks/cet chews.

Re: Very allergic dog

Catherine Raymond — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 19:29:12 GMT

The majority of Hill's and Royal Canin diets contain animal fat which is pork and so if there is a strong response to pork then I look at James Wellbeloved. It might be worht looking at fish and vegetable

Ocean Fish and Vegetable

White fish meal, pea starch, potato flakes, tomato pomace, whole linseed, vegetarian gravy, fish oil, peas, olive oil, sugar beet pulp, alfalfa, carrot, natural seaweed, chicory pulp, sodium chloride, parsley, nettle, chicory extract, calcium carbonate, lysine, glucosamine, D,L-methionine, chondroitin, yucca extract, threonine.

I know it has potato flakes, but in the dogs that I have where potato only has a IgE1 IgG0 haven't a problem (yet)!!

Might be worth doing a trial of 6-8 weeks and see if there is an issue. I only tend to use the blood results as a base line and then gradually reintroduce one ingredient at a time.

Hope that helps!

Re: Very allergic dog

Sally Howe — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:14:47 GMT

They don't as it has potato in it.

Re: Very allergic dog

Donna France — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:05:05 GMT

oops its a cat one, hopefully they do a dog one too!

Re: Very allergic dog

Donna France — Mon, 06 Jun 2011 18:04:02 GMT

hiya,

Poor dog! Hills do a venison and Green pea..

here's the link http://www.myvetmeds.co.uk/cat/food-cat/hills-food/hills-feline-d-d-venison-green-pea_30343935.htm