Ipakitine vs Renalzin

Re: Ipakitine vs Renalzin

Sarah Southworth RVN CertVNECC — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:24:49 GMT

Thanks for replys . Very helpful, i did the webinar this week on kidney disease, they also say to put on diet in a normal home environment, and wean over. Thats interesting because i was always told to put them on kidney diet in hospital. It makes sense not too as they are already in a stressful situation. And surely its not going to make much defference if they are on a phosphate binder anyway? The intravenous fluids are surely more important.

thanks for advice everyone.

Re: Ipakitine vs Renalzin

Nicola Smith — Fri, 04 Mar 2011 08:15:30 GMT

My cat must be weird then because if I put her renalzin on top of her food she licks that off first. She also thinks kd is the best thing ever invented!! Considering renal cats are often inappetant mine doesnt follow the rules - she has always been greedy though!! Last testing my cats phos wasnt terribly high but still higher than I would like for the iris staging so she is now on 4mls renalzin and kd bt is clinically well.

Can you mix the phos binders in at all rather than on top? Bayer do say renalzin meant to be tasteless but as mine actually targets it dont think it can be.

Re: Ipakitine vs Renalzin

Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN D32/33 — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 23:11:10 GMT

[quote user="Phrin Vernon"]

Sorry - would also say that trying to implement a change of diet onto kidney diet etc, can be detrimental with a hospitalised feline patient, as they are already stressed by the hosp situation, and can come to associate that particular food with stress and badness! And therefore refuse to eat it.

Better to let them eat their normal food whilst in hosp, and get the owner to implement the change slowly at home.

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completely agree with that phrin, also my cat has renal failure at 6 years old, she hates kd, loves applaws chicken fillets, and purina nf wet, but if you put renalzin on it, she eat around it or leaves it all. i was considering ipakitine, but i'm not going to bother now, as i did think i would just have the same issue.

her renal figures seem stable just now.

Re: Ipakitine vs Renalzin

Phrin Vernon RVN — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:20:30 GMT

Bloody cats! Too clever for their own good in my opinion

Better to let them eat their normal food whilst in hosp, and get the owner to implement the change slowly at home.

Re: Ipakitine vs Renalzin

Phrin Vernon RVN — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:15:33 GMT

[quote user="Steph Worsley"]

I have found renalzin more readily acceptable than ipakitine, they are both phosphate binders, although technically if they are eating the kidney diet then they shouldn't need the binder unless their phosphorus is still high

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I have no in depth knowledge, or personal knowledge of either (and Steph is a meds nurse so knows best!), but my understanding, from reps admittedly, it that kidney diet plus phosphate binders is the best we can do, and may have some benefit?

If the owners are happy to try, (and pay for) a small renalzin, and see how they get on, then it may be worth a try?

Re: Ipakitine vs Renalzin

Steph Worsley — Thu, 03 Mar 2011 22:05:00 GMT