LVNs and RVNs

Re: LVNs and RVNs

Phrin Vernon RVN — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 22:15:02 GMT

[quote user="Nick Shackleton"]

I am a Listed VN and intend on staying listed for the present time.

Yes I have been linked to trying to get the title Veterinary Nurse protected by people who have not undertaken the formal training from using the title. I don't see how we can be a regulated profession, accountable for our actions and undergo CPD audits. Yet there are still people out there who are doing the job without any formal training. And then there are practices out there that employ "nurses" when they have trained them 'in-house'. Althou, in house training is helpful to start with it clearly needs backing up with some sort of formal qualification. It's all well and good be practically capable, but you also require the under pinning knowledge (ie why do things a certain way)

If I was to go into hospital I know I would be happier knowing that the people treating/caring/looking after me were either fully qualified or in some sort of formal training.

Sorry if this offends anyone, just something that I'm quite passionate about So until the laws change I will be firmly staying as an LVN.

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Doesn't offend me Nick!

I think the RVN is a great initiative, but falls far short of what is REALLY needed to give us nurses true professionalism - A review of the VS act, with not only the title Veterinary Nurse being protected, but also the acts that can be carried out.

We need more definition!

Re: LVNs and RVNs

Nick Shackleton — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 21:33:52 GMT

I am a Listed VN and intend on staying listed for the present time.

Yes I have been linked to trying to get the title Veterinary Nurse protected, so that people who have not undertaken the formal training using the title. I don't see how we can be a regulated profession, accountable for our actions and undergo CPD audits. Yet there are still people out there who are doing the job without any formal training. And then there are practices out there that employ "nurses" when they have trained them 'in-house'. Althou, in house training is helpful to start with it clearly needs backing up with some sort of formal qualification. It's all well and good be practically capable, but you also require the under pinning knowledge (ie why do things a certain way)

If I was to go into hospital I know I would be happier knowing that the people treating/caring/looking after me were either fully qualified or in some sort of formal training.

Sorry if this offends anyone, just something that I'm quite passionate about So until the laws change I will be firmly staying as an LVN.

Re: LVNs and RVNs

Gillian Mostyn — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:54:50 GMT

[quote user="Caro Laithwaite VN,"]I have many times told what happened to me it is no secret and those words probably came from me. [/quote]

This incident has obviously passed me by, so I wasn't referring to you, Caro, when I made my comments. I wouldn't like you to think I was questionning your integrity.

I do still think, however, that whether you are an RVN or a LVN you will still be accountable in a criminal court and are very unlikely to be held responsible in an RCVS prof conduct hearing without VERY good evidence. One person's version of events, even if they are an MRCVS, is not going to be enough. However, that isn't to say that someone, vet or not, can make your life very difficult if they try...

Re: LVNs and RVNs

Sal the 1st — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:08:26 GMT

[quote user="sarinhaa"]

In my opinion, surely everyone would want to be a registered nurse as its more highly recognisable title than LVN.

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oh no they wouldnt ( as they say in the best pantomimes)

who do you think came first the listed nurses or the registered nurses?

Listed nurses came first and yes because we are listed and since the list was closed years ago it means we have 'a few miles on the clock' experience wise but that doesnt make us dinosaurs ( ok well some of us are but we are nevertheless very experienced and well informed dinosaurs)

[quote user="sarinhaa"]

As I understand it LVNs are listed but not registered nurses. Therefore they are not liable for their actions if they mess up.

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Dont you believe it! They may not be accountable to the owner directly but sure as eggs is eggs they are accountable to their employer which might be a lot more injurious than falling off the register - that has never been my reason for staying off the register.

If all nursing staff were regulated in the same way I would have absolutely no problem joining the register - but at the moment the emphasis is on regulating those that have already bothered to train and qualify to a given standard rather than addressing the problem of nursing staff that never get the chance to train or qualify because it is still legal for this to happen.

Re: LVNs and RVNs

Susan Jackson — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 19:38:48 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

[quote user="sarinhaa"]But I've heard stories of how vets take advantage of the fact that RVNs are now accounted for their actions and use this in order to cover up for their own mistakes, using RVNs as a scapegoat which means that these RVNs may have been prosecuted and/or laid off.[/quote]

Erm...trying to think of a polite way of saying this, but I can't, so....that is b******t!

Practice politics and in-fighting can affect everyone equally, whether RVN or not, so qualifications irrelevant.

No one gets prosecuted or struck-off without a fair hearing.

Don't believe everything you read.

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We only became accountable just recently, and I don't know of any VN thats been in front of the disciplinary commitee. It's only this year that we've needed to take out insurance with the VDS.

Shame we can't trust people.

Re: LVNs and RVNs

Caro Laithwaite VN — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:48:02 GMT

I have many times told what happened to me it is no secret and those words probably came from me. rcvs is well aware as are many others of what happened to me and the reason l have no intention of taking an r

Everyone has l am sure read the reason of the vet that attempted to shaft me Wont repeat it yet again not worth it l have enough on my plate and that is to small nowadays to give a standing dt over just search but think you already probably have.

Would l like to feel l could trust everyone well enough to yes
Do l nope
Do l care at the moment - actually l don't give a stuff l have enough problems in my life to not give a squashed dt for what happens.

d = dog t = result body function

Re: LVNs and RVNs

sarinhaa — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 15:07:27 GMT

I know you shouldn't believe in everything you read. And that is why i created this post so I could get a better insight and perhaps more clarification about the subject :) but yeah thanks for answering anyway :)

Re: LVNs and RVNs

Gillian Mostyn — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 14:17:27 GMT

Erm...trying to think of a polite way of saying this, but I can't, so....that is b******t!

Practice politics and in-fighting can affect everyone equally, whether RVN or not, so qualifications irrelevant.

No one gets prosecuted or struck-off without a fair hearing.

Don't believe everything you read.

Re: LVNs and RVNs

sarinhaa — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:53:11 GMT

I haven't heard any examples per se... but I read some VN blogs and some talk about it and touch the subject for example:

" I have told rcvs that l have no intention of becoming an rvn because l do not trust a vet not to try and shaft me over his mistakes and l know that l will be a scapegoat and do not believe l will get a fair hearing. Many vets are great and l trust them implicitly, but I had a vet try and shaft me several years ago hence my distrust after being burned once. "

Re: LVNs and RVNs

Honeybadger — Thu, 17 Feb 2011 13:44:46 GMT

I have always felt that is why it is very important to document everything you do so that they will find it more difficult to place the blame on you.

I have never heard of a VS blaming a RVN for something serious, what type of examples have you heard of?