New Starter in Work

Re: New Starter in Work

Tracey Louise — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:38:29 GMT

[quote user="Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN"]

i standby what i said, about he student being as good as the coach etc, as if he has never been taught the standards expected from him, how can you assume he really knows how important these standards are. if he has worked else where then it is up to the current coach to raise the standeard to that of the current practice.

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Im sorry but i disagree with this comment. Some people are taught things a certain way, but still do not do things the way they were taught. Like it has gone in one ear and out of the other, this should not be a reflection of the coach doing the teaching!

As a nurse trainer / coach myself, i find some people rather more difficult to train than others. Sometimes you have to spend alot more time and sometimes this pays off, but some people just dont listen and dont want to be taught.

I also do not think anyone should really have to be taught how to put rubbish in the bin, this should be something that comes naturally, and agree with a previous poster that a new person should want to give a good impression and tidying up after yourself is a good way to start.

Re: New Starter in Work

Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN D32/33 — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:03:15 GMT

i'm sorry, but if you post on an open forum, you are open to the thoughts of the community.

harsh as it isounds, i would be very unhappy if i found out someone was discussing me on an open forum, the fact that he is male has nothing to do with it.

i never said that he had been trained that way by the original poster, but that the behaviour needs correcting, and how it is being managed now is the problem.

i don't feel that i need to post 'anon' as i'am not afraid to say what i think.

and as for being 'nice' , it's not 'nice' what has been said about the person involved.

my comments are not personal to anyone, and not intended as such.

Re: New Starter in Work

Steph Phillips — Sat, 11 Dec 2010 09:37:15 GMT

[quote user="Katie Brocklebank"]

Well, thats good then. Just try not to take this personally, we all love this career whether where fully trained or not so some people just vent and don't realise how their post reads. Believe me, I read it from start to finish and it was a very uncomfortable read. Anyway it sounds like whatever your doing is working hun so good on ya!

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Re: New Starter in Work

Katie B — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 23:14:42 GMT

Re: New Starter in Work

Stella Skelton RVN — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 23:06:32 GMT

Thank you Katie.

I think already he's trying harder. Just a little way to go. x

Re: New Starter in Work

Katie B — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:58:44 GMT

[quote user="Stella Skelton SVN MBVNA"]

[quote user="samz60020@hotmail.com"]

OMG! just read this thread and its totally blown outa preportion!!Some of you have been really mean!Stella hasnt 'slagged' him off!!She hasnt used foul language or defamatory comments etc!She couldv said alot worse but she didnt-she HAS remained professional in my opinion!!Stella, hun, just tell him how you feel, you may have to do it more than once but hey hel get the picture, I often used to do it jokingly but firmly because I had the relationship with my collegues where I could say that as we were friends not just collegues...If you keep on helping him like you are then Im sure hel pick up and flourish-people have the greater respect for friends after all!If you have been given this responsibility then you ARE above him, regardless if your qualified or not!!Praise him for good things hes doing and keep at him for the things youd rather he didnt do etc or show him the ways it should be done.

Chin up

:D x

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THANK YOU!xxx

I am praising him. I am supporting him. I'm not being horrible to him and he assures me he's happy so far. I've said from the beginning to all of my colleagues, the nurses, that if i get stressed and start being a t**t i want them to tell me because i cannot abide those types of people that berate staff all the time. It's not constructive and causes unpleasant and therefore inefficient working atmospheres! I stand by this. I really just want to make it clear again that i only wanted a whinge because i'm extremely stressed and mess does not help.

Thank you to those of you who have supported me here in respect of this thread having become a battering page. I appreciate it. I can understand some people's comments. But some people have really taken this thread as an opportunity to berate and that's unprofessional. I assumed people on here would understand more given the field we're in.

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It sounds like your doing a wonderful job and you approach it how YOU see fit. And I do think this thread has got very bitchy and nasty. A forum is where you can let off steam and ask for advice and it seems to me thats all she was doing. My only worry is if he would see it. But their is no need to attack the poor girl. A similar thing happened to me a few months back, it got very personal on here and I have only just started coming back on as it really upset and annoyed me. I think everyone should just have a read through what they have put before posting it! As we all have a difference in opinion but attacking a girl who already sounds quite stressed out isn't the most kindly thing to do. I think this forum is about everyone pitching in and helping out anyone who has something that they need advice on, not pointing fingers and telling them what their doing wrong. I love this forum but it really does annoy me when people can't see how far their going as some people may dwell on bad comments. Above all Stella, you do what you feel is best, point it out to him and let us know how you get on hun!

Re: New Starter in Work

Stella Skelton RVN — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:44:10 GMT

[quote user="scotlass"]

And Stella I hope it all works out for you, I dont know how you are managing to cope with all this on your own as HN, I am doing the diploma course and it takes me all my time to keep on top of college, NPL, assignments etc without the added pressure that you have!

I dont normally post much on here as it always turns into verbal abuse, so I dont blame you if you are wary of asking for anymore advice!!

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I think i'll be posting much less frequently now. Thanks again!! x

Re: New Starter in Work

paula morgan — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:43:00 GMT

I dont normally post much on here as it always turns into verbal abuse, so I dont blame you if you are wary of asking for anymore advice!!

Re: New Starter in Work

Stella Skelton RVN — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:38:54 GMT

[quote user="samz60020@hotmail.com"]

Chin up

:D x

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THANK YOU!xxx

Re: New Starter in Work

paula morgan — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:34:38 GMT

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"]

[quote user="salliee5"]

[quote user="Tracy Windler RVN"]

Can people register as anon to posts things like this? Or will we end up with more unknown posters, then??

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How about one general anon profile? That we all know the password to, and we can all use as and when necessary?

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wont this just encourage more annonymous bitching? How about as professionals we all behave like professionals and think when we are posting a) who might be reading it and b) who our comments might hurt. This thread has really annoyed me.

For the record I have not accused anybody of being nasty to anybody else, all I did was point out that what was being said about an individual may well be read by that individual at a later date - which then resulted in some fairly nasty comments by others.

Stella I appreciate you have a difficult job on your hands - both as a trainee yourself trying to do well and pass exams but also as a stand in head nurse again trying to do your best by everybody but making the comments that started this thread is not the way a head nurse (even a stand in with little experience) should be behaving. I appreciate you still have a lot to learn -and hopefully from some of the comments you have received you may learn something from this thread. Its always better to have the staff you are working alongside on your side, give them a hard time and believe me they will make your life hell.

a week and a bit is not a long time in the scheme of things for somebody to settle in and know where everything is kept, learn a new routine for a particular practice and do everything they need to be doing in super quick time. Learning to do things in the way a particular practice wants takes time - rush things through in the early days or make it difficult for somebody to settle in (even inadvertantly) and it can wreck working relationships for a long time to come. How long did it take you to get the hang of things when you started there?

Think of how long it has taken to fill this vacancy and how if you spend a bit of time and a little encouragement this person can help to ease your workload. If he was to get fed up and leave you would be back to square one. Treat him right and he could turn out to be a really strong ally treat him wrong - and he could be your worst nightmare.

You are both trainees and you could both be helping each other so much AND learning from each other - how about you give it a try.

And for those making comments on untidyness and laziness when you have never met the person or indeed worked with them I would imagine you wouldnt be very happy if somebody was to do the same to you?

So thats all I have to say really

this could equally apply to many of us at different times in our working lives - be gracious and learn from the mistakes, quit the 'sniffy' comments when we screw up, accept that sometimes we will make mistakes and lets move on!

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I take it you Iam one of the ones you are referring to about the untidy/lazy thing? No I havent met him, but Ive met a lot like him, and theres no danger of anyone saying that about me because I am not lazy or untidy! I value my job too much and respect my workmates too much aswell to leave them to tidy up after me. Everyone is always so worried about hurting peoples feelings nowadays, when I first started working many moons ago you did your job or you were shown the door! but at the end of the day he is getting paid to do a job and thats what he should do and not leave everyone else to pick up after him, as I said befor its not rocket science!

Re: New Starter in Work

Tracy Windler RVN — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:28:54 GMT

As I said earlier, I do see the point in SOME of the posts, but there is a nice way to say something and be constructive-which I think most people have TRIED to do, even if they havn't managed it. But there was no need for some of the scathing posts and, down-right inaccurate comments, which you would realise if you read the whole thread properly.

I have sometimes posted thigs which I later regretted, as I thought of who might be lurking on here, but this forum has always been so supportive.

Stella, I hope you get this issue sorted out and don't feel you can't post on here anymore, it would be such a shame to lose you

Re: New Starter in Work

Steph Phillips — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:21:21 GMT

[quote user="samz60020@hotmail.com"]

Chin up

:D x

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Nicely said

Re: New Starter in Work

Sammyannieantha — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 22:14:27 GMT

Chin up

:D x

Re: New Starter in Work

Stella Skelton RVN — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:44:44 GMT

Ok...for the last and final time...i have only mentioned that i'm frustrated with the fact that he is messy...and NOTHING else...i KNOW he's not into the full swing of things...i said that in my very first post!!! I KNOW he doesn't know everything yet!! I never even said he was lazy! JUST messy!

Anyhow, forget it.

Re: New Starter in Work

Sal the 1st — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:59:59 GMT

[quote user="salliee5"]

[quote user="Tracy Windler RVN"]

Can people register as anon to posts things like this? Or will we end up with more unknown posters, then??

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How about one general anon profile? That we all know the password to, and we can all use as and when necessary?

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You are both trainees and you could both be helping each other so much AND learning from each other - how about you give it a try.

And for those making comments on untidyness and laziness when you have never met the person or indeed worked with them I would imagine you wouldnt be very happy if somebody was to do the same to you?

So thats all I have to say really

Re: New Starter in Work

Vicky RVN — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:22:58 GMT

[quote user="salliee5"]

[quote user="Tracy Windler RVN"]

Can people register as anon to posts things like this? Or will we end up with more unknown posters, then??

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How about one general anon profile? That we all know the password to, and we can all use as and when necessary?

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I know myself and others have anon profiles for the occasional time they're needed.

Re: New Starter in Work

Donna France — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:15:12 GMT

[quote user="Stella Skelton SVN MBVNA"]

None of us have a Clinical Coach as yet as our Assessor left and our new vet needs to undertake the clinical coach training which on Monday. We're not even on the NPL yet!!

Also, i think i did mention that he has already done his first year of the NVQ2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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apologies, I wasnt getting at you, just trying to help with a constructive option to help with the obvious stress this situation is causing you

I hope it works out

Re: New Starter in Work

salliee5 — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:06:58 GMT

[quote user="Tracy Windler RVN"]

Can people register as anon to posts things like this? Or will we end up with more unknown posters, then??

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How about one general anon profile? That we all know the password to, and we can all use as and when necessary?

Re: New Starter in Work

salliee5 — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:50:01 GMT

Hi Stella,

SORRY!! I do feel quite guilty, you're obviously under a lot of pressure and probably didn't deserve what this thread had to offer. My point about teaching him was implied only as you had said that he only started a week ago. I am not in your shoes and I don't know the situation but it just doesn't seem like a very long time for a first year trainee to 'get it'.

I think (as someone said earlier) that he might be a charcter that finds it really hard to take criticism from someone who is also not yet qualifed, regardless of experience. It is a bit of a touchy and sensitive subject at the moment after all.

You seem to have so much responsibility ony our shoulders at the moment and it frankly isn't acceptable, but it might be that you are expecting too much from this guess, and I don;t think anyone can blame you for wanting someone to come in and help you out, but maybe if you removed that status from him and treat him just like a complete novice, then you might get along workwise a bit better.

This obviously won't help your situation though and you need to organise a meeting with the people higher up than you to sort it out. Bring up the fact that you are also a student and being required to show a new employee and student is unacceptable, then you need to get them on board to help show this guy how it is all done. Maybe he'll respond better to authority.

Having said all of this, the guy maybe just not cut out for the job but that's a chance that he needs to be given.

Sorry again for any accusing comments previously :)

Re: New Starter in Work

Stella Skelton RVN — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 19:27:17 GMT

Hey All

With regards the following comment:

'Be supportive of him, teach him the right way to do things and if it doesn't pay off and he doesn't respond then it is time to have words about his laziness and untidiness.'

I am doing all of this. I have given him chance to tidy up etc.

None of us have a Clinical Coach as yet as our Assessor left and our new vet needs to undertake the clinical coach training which on Monday. We're not even on the NPL yet!!

Also, i think i did mention that he has already done his first year of the NVQ2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And lastly...i have NOT slagged him off! I basically wanted some advice because i was frustrated BECAUSE i have been given no choice but to take on all these responsibilities since 2 staff have left....one of which was our head nurse...i KNOW i'm shouldn't be doing all of this...i DON'T want to do it but i have to...i don't get any extra money for it but i want him to improve more quickly because i'm under so much strain and all the shit will come down on my head!!!!!

Like Tracy said: I only wanted a rant and some advice....i will think twice before posting on here ever again.....if i ever do...thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Re: New Starter in Work

Steph Phillips — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 15:07:32 GMT

[quote user="Tracy Windler RVN"]

Please lets be nice and suportive to posters on this forum and not shoot them down just for asking for advice.

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Can we, perhaps, calm down a little. Although I don't disagree with the above posts and perhaps the original poster didn't think this through entirely, she was just having a rant and needing some advice as she has been put in an awkward position that she has not be adequately trained to do. She does not need a barrage of abuse.

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Well said Tracy!!

[quote user="Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN"]

perhap you need to look at how he is being managed?, in my opinion, a student is only as good as the person who has trained / coached them.

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so are you basically saying a lazy/messy person is like that because the person who trained/coached them is?? cause thats total B***.S*** imo!

[quote user="Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN"]i think it is disgraceful to be slagging someone off on an open forum.[/quote]

Maybe read the whole thread again.. and quote where he's being slagged off cause I can't see anything that suggests that!!

Re: New Starter in Work

Tracy Windler RVN — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 14:24:59 GMT

[quote user="Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN"] in my opinion, a student is only as good as the person who has trained / coached them.[/quote]

I do not agree with this and feel it is an unfair judgment on the people who have trained this "new starter" when we don't have enough information.

Please lets be nice and suportive to posters on this forum and not shoot them down just for asking for advice.

Can people register as anon to posts things like this? Or will we end up with more unknown posters, then??

Re: New Starter in Work

Juliet Drummond DAVN (med) RVN D32/33 — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 12:38:03 GMT

i think it is disgraceful to be slagging someone off on an open forum.

i'am a head nurse, and i think whether you are qualified or not, it is a position of responsibility. you should treat everyone how you expect to be treated.

perhap you need to look at how he is being managed?, in my opinion, a student is only as good as the person who has trained / coached them.

Re: New Starter in Work

emma sime — Fri, 10 Dec 2010 11:28:28 GMT

I'm not having a go or anything, and there is never an excuse for not being tidy, but do you think he maybe finds it hard taking orders from somebody else that isnt qualified?

Re: New Starter in Work

Claire Cameron — Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:19:09 GMT

[quote user="Bizzy McClure"]

Regardless of what he has done, If I found out that a senior member of staff had been discussing my behaviour on a public forum I would be seriously pissed off and would probably complain to someone higher up. (So be careful!

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I wholeheartedly agree. I have to admit it's unprofessional to be discussing such issues, and if I were him, I would not be amused.

There are ways and means of sorting such problems and discussing them on a public forum is not one of them.

[quote user="Nick BATFINK Shackleton Dip AVN(surg)VN MBVNA"]

Personally if I was in the same situation as him I would find it hard to work under someone who is in theory at the same level as myself.

And I think it is wrong that you have put into a Head Nurse position when you have only just started your 2nd year at college.

It must be hard for the poor lad moving to an area where he prob knows not many people at all. I know I have done it in the past and felt like giving up and moving back home at one point.

Also I do think us guys do get a raw deal in practice girls tend to be in their packs and have known them to gang up on us and that is from 1st hand experience!

[/quote][quote user="Nick BATFINK Shackleton Dip AVN(surg)VN MBVNA"] I think it is wrong that you have put into a Head Nurse position when you have only just started your 2nd year at college. [/quote]

I have to agree with Nick on this one also.

[quote user="salliee5"]

I also agree that everyone needs to be given a chance as he is a trainee then he is supposed to learning the acquired skills to become a good vet nurse, namely tidiness, he is not supposed to know it all already.

I am sure when we all started we all got flustered, left things unfinished as someone had asked us to do something else. Multitasking and finishing one job before starting another are all things we learned along the way.

Be supportive of him, teach him the right way to do things and if it doesn't pay off and he doesn't respond then it is time to have words about his laziness and untidiness.

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