Veterinary Physiotherapy

RE: Veterinary Physiotherapy

Abigail Lawes — Sun, 06 Dec 2015 22:19:50 GMT

Hiya, did you do the course? Did you find any help with funding?

thanks

Re: Veterinary Physiotherapy

Lilly JB RVN — Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:07:56 GMT

Ive applied and been accepted to start this course. It seems really good, but like everybody else I am confused as to which is the most respected/indepth etc..I also want to know if there is any funding out there to help towards the cost of such courses?

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Kerry Brennand DipAVN (Surgical) RVN A1 MBVNA — Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:30:47 GMT

Does anyone know anything about this course that is offered.....

College of Animal Physiotherapy - Courses in Animal Physiotherapy based at Tyringham Hall, NR Aylesbury, the home of Sherry Scott, President and founder of the International Association of Animal Therapists (IAAT).

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Kerry Brennand DipAVN (Surgical) RVN A1 MBVNA — Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:12:27 GMT

Where you been for placments? I am interested in this and keep looking into the various courses

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Beth Roberts — Wed, 12 Jan 2011 21:02:28 GMT

It is weekends for clinics and teaching. Placement wise, some people do work weekends and are happy to have us along, others only work in the week so it depends on who you want to spend time with.

I would say we are 50/50 split now of those working full time and those working either part-time or not at all. I am in the full time category and 1st year there was no problem with this, however, now, I rather wished I worked fewer hours, but it is manageable

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Kerry Brennand DipAVN (Surgical) RVN A1 MBVNA — Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:30:38 GMT

Awaiting for more info from college and application form......yeh didnt expect it to be easy........is it at weekends or weekdays you attend college

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Beth Roberts — Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:03:58 GMT

First year is once a month, and second year is roughly twice a month with clinic days and teaching and you also have to see 20 days of 'practice' outside of this.

It is an intense course, with roughly 15-20 hours of study at home required each week. It is a full MSc though, so I guess it is to be expected

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Kerry Brennand DipAVN (Surgical) RVN A1 MBVNA — Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:57:53 GMT

Crikey!!!! So how often do you have to attend college?

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Beth Roberts — Sat, 08 Jan 2011 21:31:23 GMT

Hey,

It consists of 4 modules in year 1 and 3 modules in year 2, worth a total of 60 credits per year (1 module in 2nd year is worth 30 credits-although I think they have possibly merged 2 modules now in first year to make a 30 credit module in that year too). There are exams at the end of each module and coursework and case studies with each one too.

module 1: 1 piece of coursework, 1 written paper, 3 practical exams

module 2: 3 pieces of coursework, 1 written paper, 1 spot exam

module 3: 2 case studies, 1 written paper

module 4: 2 case studies, 1 written paper

module 5: 3 case studies, 1 written paper, 2 practical exams

module 6: 5 case studies, 2 practical exams

module 7: 1 piece of coursework, 3 case studies and 2 practicals

Hope that helps

Re: Veterinary Physiotherapy

Kerry Brennand DipAVN (Surgical) RVN A1 MBVNA — Sat, 08 Jan 2011 18:19:47 GMT

The Harper Adams Vet Physio course - what does the course involve? Is it working through modules, doing assignments, essays, etc? With exams at the end of each year?

Re: Veterinary Physiotherapy

Louise B — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:52:48 GMT

LOL. Yes, my offer is withdrawn

You never know! You could well do!

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Beth Roberts — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:50:53 GMT

Hey, thanks for the offer that's very kind I think with this weekend though, with the exam I will stay in halls, I am also trying to get over this flu, and I would hate to give it to you! Maybe next time?

Re job, I think unless I could practice as a physio part-time as well, it wouldn't be much use no!! Maybe in a few years once I have some experience under my belt I will be able to lecture on the physio course

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Louise B — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:42:40 GMT

Hi,

Forget Harry Potter. I got the dates wrong. Its the week after

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Louise B — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:38:29 GMT

Yes, it is one of the research jobs. The post is fab. I looked at it the first time round but it wasn't the right time (halyway through PhD) but when the post came up again there was no way I was going to miss out on applying. Couldn't believe my luck when I got it. Maybe they'll create another one in time for when you finsih the physio course (although I am guessing then you'll not be wanting it!).

Aw, that's a shame to pay for halls. You are welcome to stay at mine overnight saturday if you want. Entirely up to you. I am at Harper until around 6pm saturday though as I have an experiment running so need to check on my chickens! Thinking about going to see Harry Potter on saturday night. Do you fancy it? Tracy - if you are reading this I am about to PM you too as I keep forgetting to!!! Cinema is opposite my house

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Beth Roberts — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:15:38 GMT

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Hi,

Its an even smaller world. I think you are doing your practical exams this sunday using one of my dogs

Yep, I can definitely see how 50 hours/week of night work and an MSc would be too much.

I've been at Harper since October and I am absolutely loving it.

Maybe see you this weekend!

Ps. You are welcome to crash at mine ovenight if the weather gets dodgy again. I live in Market Drayton so just 20 minutes north of Harper.

Louise x

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haha yes I am Apologies to your dog in advance Although having said that, Haggis leaps onto her side madly wagging her tail when I ask her if she wants a massage these days!!

Glad you are enjoying Harper, is it one of the teaching/research jobs? I really liked the look of those when advertised, but not whilst studying!!

Thanks for the offer of a room, I have actually booked into halls for Sat. night as I couldn't afford to miss the exam again! Must catch up in person some time though

B x

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Louise B — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 15:07:26 GMT

Hi,

Its an even smaller world. I think you are doing your practical exams this sunday using one of my dogs

Yep, I can definitely see how 50 hours/week of night work and an MSc would be too much.

I've been at Harper since October and I am absolutely loving it.

Maybe see you this weekend!

Ps. You are welcome to crash at mine ovenight if the weather gets dodgy again. I live in Market Drayton so just 20 minutes north of Harper.

Louise x

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Beth Roberts — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:26:12 GMT

Hey, I didn't realise you worked at Harper now! How long have you been there? I am working in Derby now, gone back to day work as was finding the MSc and 50 hours a week of nights too much!

B x

Ps very small world!

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Beth Roberts — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 14:23:45 GMT

Hey guys,

I am on the MSc at Harper and from the research I have done the title of vet physio is not protected just like vet nurse, as Nick said physiotherapist is, but so long as I do not call myself a physio, but do call myself a vet physio it is ok! Insurance companies such as Petplan recognise the NAVP, ACPAT and McTimoney practitioners and will pay for their services so long as an animal is appropriately insured. I do not know what they think about IRVAP, but I know that they were only formed in 2009.

With the course I am following, I get a full MSc at the end of it (a PgD after 2 years) and it follows the format of the ACPAT course previously run out of the RVC. I firmly believe that because we get a university accredited MSc, this course is worth doing. I think that vet practices are only just beginning to open their eyes to the possibilities vet physio's can offer, but increasingly their skills are required.

I see what you are saying Nick about 3 years training as a human physio first, but in actual fact the majority of ACPAT physios I have met did an MSc in physiotherapy first, completed this in a year, practised for the shortest time possible as a human physio (roughly 2 years) before embarking on the vet physio course. Whilst I believe they had the advantage prior to their vet physio course of having used various modalities etc. and as a result, have an idea of what treatments might be suitable. The advantage in handling animals, reading animals, knowing the terminology, seeing various surgeries, understanding the limitations placed upon vets with treatment options etc that I hold over human trained people, far outweighs the initial advantage they may have had.

My course, like Karen's, very carefully chooses who it takes. People must hold a minimum of a 2:1 in a science degree, have experience with a variety of animals and be willing, where say horse experience is limited, to complete additional training in order to improve their skills prior to starting the course.

As for job prospects after, I believe the majority of us in my year are planning on being self-employed, or working part-time in small animal practices. 2 people are already qualified McTimoney practitioners and they wanted to do this course to expand their treatment range, they already have successful businesses. I firmly believe that as practices begin to understand the role a physio can play, the more they will be used. My current employers are opening their eyes to the possibilities I can offer them, and in their new hospital, have a physiotherapy suite being built.

Veterinary physiotherapy is about 15 years behind human physiotherapy in this country, it is about time that this changed!

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Nick Shackleton — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:11:19 GMT

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Interesting I am still very confused with it all!!!!

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LOL your not the only one!

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Kerry Brennand DipAVN (Surgical) RVN A1 MBVNA — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 20:08:38 GMT

Interesting I am still very confused with it all!!!!

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Nick Shackleton — Mon, 13 Dec 2010 19:48:57 GMT

I found this job at Glasgow University and it is for a Veterinary Physiotherapist and one of the requirements is that you have a BSc in Physiotherapy and a member of the Chartered Society of Physiotherapiests......

Knowledge, Qualifications, Skills and Experience

Knowledge/Qualifications
Essential:
A1 BSc or equivalent in Physiotherapy
A2 Membership of the Chartered Society of Physiotherapists (CSP)
A3 Membership of the Association of Chartered Physiotherapists in Animal Therapy (ACPAT)
A4 Comprehensive breadth and depth of physiotherapy knowledge to teach undergraduate and postgraduate students and nursing students.

http://tinyurl.com/39kkreu

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Karen Wilkins — Wed, 08 Dec 2010 16:54:12 GMT

[quote user="Nick BATFINK Shackleton Dip AVN(surg)VN MBVNA"]

Karen thanks for your reply, but I'm afraid that the actual title 'physiotherapist' is a protected title through the HPC and you can only use this title if you have undertaken one of their recognised courses. which means that you will not be able to use the title physiotherapist, even with veterinary in front of it!

http://www.hpc-uk.org/aboutregistration/professions/index.asp?id=11#profDetails

Physiotherapists

Physiotherapists deal with human function and movement and help people to achieve their full physical potential. They use physical approaches to promote, maintain and restore wellbeing.

Protected titles

Physical Therapist
Physiotherapist

Number of registrants: 42,676

Professional bodies:

Each of the professions regulated by us has at least one professional body and/or association. These organisations do work which may include promoting the profession, representing members, curriculum frameworks, post registration education and training and continuing professional development. Whilst these organisations are separate from the HPC, their role may be complementary to ours, which is why we have provided their contact details below:

Chartered Society of Physiotherapy
14 Bedford Row,
London
WC1R 4ED
Telephone: 020 7306 6666 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 020 7306 6666 end_of_the_skype_highlighting
www.csp.org.uk

Current renewal start date: 01 May 2008

Current renewal end date: 30 April 2010

Next renewal start date: 01 May 2010

Next renewal end date: 30 April 2012

Personally I think that you can only convert to veterinary physiotherapy after undertaking the 3yr human physio degree. Just my opinion, I know. I really do think you would need the underpinning knowledge that you would gain from doing the three year BSc IMHO.

So your undertaking and paying for a qualification that you don't even know if it is fully recognised. Personally I think that is too bigger risk to take. I would rather undertake a qualification fully knowing whether there were job prospects at the end of it.

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Nick, that's interesting - we had quite a debate on it at the start of the course and qualified chartered physios who are doing the course, agreed that only the chartered aspect was protected! So shall pass this on!

Obviously I am going to disagree with you over how to study to be a physio! You could argue that someone who is a human physio may not have the animal skills to be a successful vet physio. Unfortunately, it is currently a catch-22 position with vet physiotherapy - there is a lot of skeptism over the role of physio in the veterinary world and this combined with other factors means that it has not been explored scientifically to produce sound study evidence to demonstrate it has a significant positive impact on patients, even though those vets and nurses who use it, will agree that it does work. With regards to risk and job opportunities, I carefully weighed the "risk" up, and choose my course very specifically with regards to teaching and underpinning knowledge (prior to my present role I taught on a BSc programme, and Nat Dips in Animal Management for 4 years so very aware of teaching provision). At this stage, unless people like myself don't attempt to break down some of the barriers (financial, time, evidence etc), this route of alternate therapy will not be proven as successful, or be as accessible to vets and nurses as it could be. I'll also note here that I, like a human physio, cannot practice without the direct guidance and referral from a vet. And I personally think this risk IS worth it, afterall, we're all here for the benefit of improving animal health and welfare?

If you want more info about the recognition of my particular qualification, have a look at IRVAP website,or www.ceptraining.co.uk. The course is predominately taught and run by Richard Payne, Senior Fellow at Liverpool Vet School.

Karen

Re: Veterinary Physiotherapy

Nick Shackleton — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:36:11 GMT

http://www.hpc-uk.org/aboutregistration/professions/index.asp?id=11#profDetails

Physiotherapists

Physiotherapists deal with human function and movement and help people to achieve their full physical potential. They use physical approaches to promote, maintain and restore wellbeing.

Protected titles

Physical Therapist
Physiotherapist

Number of registrants: 42,676

Professional bodies:

Chartered Society of Physiotherapy
14 Bedford Row,
London
WC1R 4ED
Telephone: 020 7306 6666
www.csp.org.uk

Current renewal start date: 01 May 2008

Current renewal end date: 30 April 2010

Next renewal start date: 01 May 2010

Next renewal end date: 30 April 2012

Re: Veterinary Physiotherapy

Kerry Brennand DipAVN (Surgical) RVN A1 MBVNA — Tue, 07 Dec 2010 14:12:10 GMT

Thanks for the message Karen much appreciated.....really interested just the cost puts me off also the job prospects at the end of it??? I am in North West so limited!!!!

Re: Veterinary Physiotherapy

Karen Wilkins — Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:46:35 GMT

Hi Nick

Only "chartered physiotherapist" is a protected title (likewise "chartered surveyor"). You can be a physio, vet physio, animal physio with no problem. (I checked this before I started). yes, this is a recognised qualification, the only one run with a strong emphasis on A&P, with ACPAT, vets and human physios all teaching on the course. There is debate over whether all ACPAT members will recognise me with this qualification; some do, some are adamant it shoudl remain only for those with the MSc. IRVAP recognise it.

to get on the course I had to prove I had the background knowledge in a suitable qualification (BSc Animal Science) and relevent handling skills - they will not take on someone who has a fleeting interest in animals, unlike some physio or massage courses. And now I'm on it, I understand why - it's hard!!

If you want more info, go to www.ceptraining.co.uk.