I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Lorena Williamson — Mon, 06 Dec 2010 08:29:53 GMT

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"]

[quote user="Lorena Williamson"]

[quote user="lavetnurse"]

I am nearly thirty and am currently working in a training practice. I am not qualified and because of my age I have been told that I have to do my ANA as I didnt have all my c's due to moving house and that I also dont get any funding as Im too old so will have to pay for it all myself.

I simply cant afford to on what I get paid and because my boss only gives us all temporary contracts( the trainees only get one until they are qualified) she told me this evening( while working a 48hr shift as tomorrows nurse cant get in due to snow so I have to stay) that she is not renewing it at the end of december as she has to pay me and is replacing me with a student from the college because she doesnt have to pay her!!

I think this is unfair, but there is nothing I can do as she was involved in setting up the new training so knows what she can and cant do.

I also wonder how many other people in the same circumstances are going to find themselves out of a job.

Its making me wonder if there is any point staying in a veterinary field!

Rant over.

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I'd look into this website.

you have rights and by the sounds of it, they arent being met.

http://www.thesite.org/workandstudy/working/workersrights/beingmaderedundant

I dont think you can doing anything about 'why' you are being made redundant, but maybe do something about 'how'.

Hope this helps.

Ren

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now one of us insnt understanding this - I am prepared to accept it could be me

this is my take on this on the information that is here.

The original poster has a temporary contract which is not being renewed at the end of the contract term - therefore this is not a true redundancy so redundancy help in this instance wouldnt apply?

( temporary contracts are actually a sneaky way of limiting any rights the employee has - more commonly found in industrial and manufacturing). I have worked temp contracts in food factories - 6 months or whatever term and you are gone or renewed for another 6 months, it means the employer never has to pay a redundancy it protects the employer from ending up with staff they then have to pay off it also means that they have a constant choice of employees. The good news from the employees point of view is that if they find themselves unfortunate enough to be in a position where they cannot find work because they have worked to the end of their contract they should be entitled to JSA - which is little consolation I know

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Ah yes, I see now. I read the post wrong! I did think though that depending on how long the contract was (albeit temporary) the rights afforded to the employee changed.

I am quite possibly wrong in that!

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Sal the 1st — Fri, 03 Dec 2010 17:26:18 GMT

[quote user="Lorena Williamson"]

[quote user="lavetnurse"]

I think this is unfair, but there is nothing I can do as she was involved in setting up the new training so knows what she can and cant do.

I also wonder how many other people in the same circumstances are going to find themselves out of a job.

Its making me wonder if there is any point staying in a veterinary field!

Rant over.

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I'd look into this website.

you have rights and by the sounds of it, they arent being met.

http://www.thesite.org/workandstudy/working/workersrights/beingmaderedundant

I dont think you can doing anything about 'why' you are being made redundant, but maybe do something about 'how'.

Hope this helps.

Ren

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now one of us insnt understanding this - I am prepared to accept it could be me

this is my take on this on the information that is here.

The original poster has a temporary contract which is not being renewed at the end of the contract term - therefore this is not a true redundancy so redundancy help in this instance wouldnt apply?

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

emma fifield — Fri, 03 Dec 2010 14:13:32 GMT

i am the same age as you and i have completed the ana, i am starting college one day a week with abbeydale vetlink in monmouthshire, and working in my practice but they have come to a training agreement where i have to pay back x amount dependant upon time spent in practice. We also have a student nurse who does 3 days a week with us unpaid and 2 days in college. i would look into your contract of employment and speak with your employer to see if you could come to some sort of arrangment.

good luck

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Lorena Williamson — Fri, 03 Dec 2010 10:49:26 GMT

[quote user="lavetnurse"]

I think this is unfair, but there is nothing I can do as she was involved in setting up the new training so knows what she can and cant do.

I also wonder how many other people in the same circumstances are going to find themselves out of a job.

Its making me wonder if there is any point staying in a veterinary field!

Rant over.

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I'd look into this website.

you have rights and by the sounds of it, they arent being met.

http://www.thesite.org/workandstudy/working/workersrights/beingmaderedundant

I dont think you can doing anything about 'why' you are being made redundant, but maybe do something about 'how'.

Hope this helps.

Ren

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Sal the 1st — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 21:56:14 GMT

[quote user="Emma Kerry"]

[quote user="vickylianne"]

that is disgusting the way you have been treated!

Are you sure they can let you go knowing that they are going to replace the same job with someone else? i would check it out just incase as i think in some circumstances its not allowed, like redundencies, they cant make some redundant, then employ someone to do the same job. I may be totally wrong but it just seems so wrong.

Good luck!

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You are very right, they cannot get rid of you to replace you with someone doing the same job if you have been there over a year.... I would look into that.

There are still practices willing to take on people to train, I am in the West Midlands and we may have a trainee place opening up soon... I will advertise on here when it is all definate

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sorry folks but if you are on a limited contract and employer is not renewing contract at end of contract term then yes they can do just that, and furthermore as the employer in this case has been very involved in setting up the new qualification and is probably extremely savvy on employment law this is probably a taster of things to come in other practices too once other employers cotton on.

I am going to do a mystic meg and gaze into the future through the fog that has descended over nurse training and predict that there are going to be some extremely unhappy students out there - even more unhappy than there are now

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Emma Purnell — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 21:34:22 GMT

[quote user="vickylianne"]

that is disgusting the way you have been treated!

Good luck!

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You are very right, they cannot get rid of you to replace you with someone doing the same job if you have been there over a year.... I would look into that.

There are still practices willing to take on people to train, I am in the West Midlands and we may have a trainee place opening up soon... I will advertise on here when it is all definate

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

vickylianne — Wed, 01 Dec 2010 12:55:18 GMT

that is disgusting the way you have been treated!

Good luck!

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

emma sime — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:09:45 GMT

Hi there,

I know that this is something you may not want to hear but from what I can see it is the practice that is at fault in this situation, not the new award. Yes, I agree that perhaps the prospect of a 'free' student veterinary nurse must have been appealing to your boss, however, she could have taken 'free' student nurses with the old NVQ system. The only difference with the new qualification is that RVN's and MRCVS's who wish to be responsible for training nurses within a practice no longer have to hold the Assessor's award. Instead it is Clinical Coach training (much more straightforward) that people must undertake and the lengthy portfolio has been replaced by a much less time consuming Nursing progress log. Hence there are now practices who would not have taken students before offering placements and other practices who are now taking multiple students.

I really do feel for you in this situation, at the end of the day the student's your boss is intending on offering placements to are there to learn, they are not experienced 'fully fledged' members of staff and are certainly not there to provide free labour. I am sure that you are an asset to her practice, having have spent a length of time already working there and there really is no comparison for experience. I find it shocking that practices find it acceptable to treat their staff as disposable commodities. What I have seen myself are practices offering placements and still continuing to offer employment to their current staff. At the end of the day a placement student should never be a replacement for a member of staff.Sorry to go on!

Overall my first impression of the new award is generally positive, the focus in practice is now on enabling students to become competent at set skills rather than writing reams and reams (like i just have!) on how they would do something and grabbing cases and writing them up 'just because they happen to come in' before the student is actually competent.

Please do not let this bad experience put you off nursing! No two practices are the same. In all honesty you are probably much better off in another practice where they will appreciate you and what you have to offer them!

emma x

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Sally Seddon — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:05:59 GMT

My course is 2 years

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Nicola Russell — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 10:06:23 GMT

I was told the length of the course depends on the individual college. I had an interview in August and was told there VNAC in Aldershot did it in just over 2 years, and on the website for Hadlow college in Kent the duration for the Diploma is stated as 2 years.

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Sally Seddon — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:52:01 GMT

I honestly have no clue how ive got funding. I go to ProCo and they have got it for me. Im not on any benefits or anything so i dunno how i qualify for it . I completly understand its not that easy for some, if i didnt have the funding then i couldnt do it. To be honest i actually know some 'nurses' who are not qualified and are much better and more knowledgeable than a certain qualified nurse

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Steph Phillips — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 07:45:26 GMT

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I have 10 years ish of experience and have been trying that long to get a position. I now don't see the point. I have a house and bills to pay for, I can't drop everything and go to college. I just don't think they designed the course very well at all, I really don't think they have made it very accessible to people slightly more mature or experienced or not being funded by the bank of mum and dad.

Don't get me wrong, I have every respect for someone who has managed to get a placement, bloody high five to you!! I just don't think the whole thing is right. It alienates those of us who work in the vn field but are not given the chance. And without being big headed I'm a f**king good nurse.

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1000% agree with you there hun!!

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

A Little TLC — Tue, 30 Nov 2010 01:04:53 GMT

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Katie B — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:57:48 GMT

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[quote user="*Steph *"]

[quote user="A Little TLC"]

This is precisely why I have given up. I am happy where I am thank you, RCVS, I have both the knowledge and a s**t load of experience, just not the 'paperwork'. Then now, they have ruined it for those of us that would have made f**king good nurses. Your loss fools, take on the kids that will leave after five minutes after finding it it actually bloody hard work....... the end...!!!!!

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Its not just kids who are doing the new nursing course you know, Im 27 and am not going to give up after 5mins. Please dont assume its only 'kids' doing the new training. Ive waited 10 years to do my training and am actually getting some funding for it. Not sure how it all works but its possible because i have it. So for me, the new training is a good thing. Ive tried and tried to get a training position in a tp and i couldnt get one, now the changes have come about im able to train. I can understand alot of what you are all saying but, for some of us, its not a bad thing. I agree the whole vn training system is mental and rediculously hard to get into and because of that alot of fantastic nurses are not able to train. Im just grateful that i can FINALLY get my qualification.

Just wanted to add, im sorry you have lost your job. What a c**p situation for you. I can understand why you would be hating the new training system.

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I am in exactly the same position, I had to defer my year in September as I have to pay for it. So I am due to start my 3 year training in September. It is going to be hard. I have to get a voluntary two day placement, have a days college, have time to study and do a part time job so my bloke isn't paying completly for everything. Would love to know how you got funding though. I was told the only way would be for me to be on working tax credits, which I am not. But you are right, it's terrible that you have lost your job. A lot of people are upset by the change but for me it has helped. As their are no training positions in my area available at all. I will just be so happy when I qualify at the age of 31!

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Katie B — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:48:48 GMT

[quote user="Jeniflower"]

This is such a shame and really dishearteneing to realise that actually you aren't going to be the only one in this situation.

The new system seems to be isolating trainees who can both afford to and have sufficient time to partake in this length of study. Through this, we are obviosuly loosing some great individuals from the profession.

I agree that the qualification should still remain at 2years then every nurse should have the chance to build onto their basic qualification what they would like in the particular area they are interested in. But lets just get some nurses qualified to start with and make it a simple process that can be accessed by all!

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Well said!

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Sally Seddon — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 22:02:53 GMT

[quote user="Sal (the 1st) Holesworth VN CMH Chyp (M)PNLP"]

[quote user="icklesal"]

Just wanted to add, im sorry you have lost your job. What a c**p situation for you. I can understand why you would be hating the new training system.

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I think after 10 years waiting you have more than earned a training place and you more than know what to expect - sorry if you thought I was getting at you

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Hehe thank u, im so glad to be finally doing it. No didnt think u were getting at me, just wanted my say

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

paula morgan — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:36:30 GMT

Oh ok i wasnt sure how it worked, I know most students in my year got bursaries but suppose it depends on the circumstances x

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Nick Shackleton — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:35:19 GMT

[quote user="scotlass"]

[quote user="lavetnurse"]

Its not a case of not wanting to train because I do but as Im too old and dont qualify for any funding I have to pay for it all myself and just dont earn enough.

We have already had 1 trainee from college who (was hopeless) quit but didnt even bother to tell us.

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Doesnt matter what age you are, if you do the course full time you should still get funding, or is that just in scotland?

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I think Scottish funding is slightly different!

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

shropshirelass_1987 — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:33:05 GMT

I totally agree with that but unfortunatley its not down to us - apparently thats for local councils to decide where I'm studying it all depended on the levels of my previos qualifications x

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

paula morgan — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:26:16 GMT

[quote user="lavetnurse"]

Its not a case of not wanting to train because I do but as Im too old and dont qualify for any funding I have to pay for it all myself and just dont earn enough.

We have already had 1 trainee from college who (was hopeless) quit but didnt even bother to tell us.

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Doesnt matter what age you are, if you do the course full time you should still get funding, or is that just in scotland?

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

shropshirelass_1987 — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:57:16 GMT

Icklesal I know what you mean I'm 23 & have waited ages to do my training & am loving every minute of it & most of the girls on our course are over 19 /20 & not kids & on my VCA course last year we were all over 18. I'm also lucky enough to be getting my funding for this course for my tution fees but not my exam fees or RCVS entry fee after I paid £800ish for my VCA course.

Dont get me wrong guys I know its really hard to train & I know why some of you dont want to but to me I really want my qualification at the end of all this along with my Badge & to be proud to say I'm an RVN at the end of it. But I also know a lot of damn good unqualified nurses who are really dedicated & know their stuff but I also support getting more RVNs into practice xxx.

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Sal the 1st — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 19:31:40 GMT

[quote user="icklesal"]

Just wanted to add, im sorry you have lost your job. What a c**p situation for you. I can understand why you would be hating the new training system.

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I think after 10 years waiting you have more than earned a training place and you more than know what to expect - sorry if you thought I was getting at you

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Sally Seddon — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:04:18 GMT

[quote user="*Steph *"]

[quote user="A Little TLC"]

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Just wanted to add, im sorry you have lost your job. What a c**p situation for you. I can understand why you would be hating the new training system.

Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Steph Phillips — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:54:36 GMT

[quote user="A Little TLC"]

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Re: I have lost my job due to new nurse training!!

Kim Buckley — Sun, 28 Nov 2010 22:17:56 GMT

[quote user="lavetnurse"]

We have already had 1 trainee from college who (was hopeless) quit but didnt even bother to tell us.

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That's so bad!

We had a high drop out in my year at uni but I think this was mostly because they got offered training positions in practices they were on placement at so could get qualified with less work and less debt!

It must be so hard not being able to get a chance to train and I really do feel for people in that position.