It really makes me mad when the nurses......

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Kate Claxton DipAVN(Med)VN — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 22:34:12 GMT

Cheek! :) x

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Nick Shackleton — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 21:13:24 GMT

[quote user="Kate Claxton DipAVN(Med)VN"]

Get back to the title of the thread? "It really makes me mad when the nurses....."surely with a title like that, people were bound to get mad sooner or later?!

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And in walks you Kate who is mad as a box of

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Kate Claxton DipAVN(Med)VN — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 21:03:29 GMT

Get back to the title of the thread? "It really makes me mad when the nurses....."surely with a title like that, people were bound to get mad sooner or later?!

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Steph Phillips — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:49:06 GMT

[quote user="mrs mac"]

[quote user="*Steph *"]blameless bob' [/quote]

My version of that type of person is Mr or Ms It Wisnae Me! lol

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haha - I like that!!

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Mac Feather — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 18:10:39 GMT

[quote user="*Steph *"]blameless bob' [/quote]

My version of that type of person is Mr or Ms It Wisnae Me! lol

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Steph Phillips — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 17:15:25 GMT

[quote user="Arlo Guthrie"]Can we get back to the title of the thread again now, please.[/quote]

AMEN!!

I hate it when nurses pass the blame to someone else.. we had a nurse like that once, we called her 'blameless bob'

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Arlo Guthrie — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 16:46:00 GMT

Fascinating how attitudes to so many things (in this case, smoking), change so radically with time. I remember when it was perfectly OK to smoke in the office and on the tube. Anywhere, in fact. Nobody complained about the smell then. I guess it was just an accepted fact of life. These days, society tolerates hard drug addicts more than smokers (ironic, since nicotine is known to be more addictive than heroin). Anyway, I suppose one has to move with the times, and accept that it isn't acceptable to smoke indoors in public places. But it does get up my wick how people shout 'passive smoking' at the merest whiff of a cigarette. Get a life! Passive smoking only presents a significant risk for people who have to live (or in the old days, work) with smokers. And frankly, I find the idea that animals are at risk from passive smoking when out being walked rather silly. But what really bothers me about this thread is the lack of tolerance on both sides of the argument. Zealotry of any sort is unattractive. The non smokers should have greater understanding of the difficulty smokers have giving up. The smokers need to understand that in the increasingly sterile, vacuum packed, homogenised, risk averse, politically correct world we live in, people find their habit disgusting. And everyone needs to remember that one of the rules of this forum is to show respect for each others opinions, regardless of whether or not you agree with them. Can we get back to the title of the thread again now, please.

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Anonymous — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 14:08:04 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]

[quote user="Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA"] you may be a vet and think you are all high and mighty in your field[/quote]

I think you have deviated from the thread somewhat.

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She could of fooled me Gillian!! lol

*rustles for her meds*

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Dippy — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 10:18:12 GMT

[quote user="Mrs Dot Dot' Tracey Plant RVN MBVNA"]

Lets just leave it for now... it doesn't have to get personnal.... if you have been commented on, then can you just not reply/respond? Makes you a bigger, better person............

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Well said - I have walked away as was getting fed up with the arguing/negativity. Just let it go guys...

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Mrs Dot Dot — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:30:35 GMT

Can we just leave this thread now please...... it started out as an interesting topic that turned into some good discussions with everyone able to stste their own opinions, whatever they were..... agree with Maisy

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Considering there is meant to be work in progress about raising the profile of VNs and apparent 'professionalism', if I were a member of the public reading this (and I'm sure there are plenty on here) I would have serious doubts

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this was kind of what I was trying to get at. Can we not hold discussions and debates in an adult and professional manner?

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Lets just leave it for now... it doesn't have to get personnal.... if you have been commented on, then can you just not reply/respond? Makes you a bigger, better person............

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Diane Westwood — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:30:03 GMT

Nurses and svns who use the work computer on the reception desk to play on Facebook. One was on Facebook and one of the male clients leaned over thinking she was looking at his records. Instead he saw a barely clothed photo of the student.

Not professional.

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Kate Claxton DipAVN(Med)VN — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:29:16 GMT

As far as I understood it, the point was not that smoking per se was unprofessional, more that smoking while handling someone else's sick pet was unprofessional.

Although you're not blowing smoke in an animal's face, they are still being exposed to second hand smoke - anyone sitting or walking next to a smoker in the open air will tell you that the smell is still very strong and makes a lot of people feel ill. The rationale behind non-smoking hospital Trusts isn't the only related to the dangers of passive smoking, it's also because if you're feeling ill, your tolerance level to things like strong smells is lowered.

I would be livid if my sick animal came back from a veterinary practice smelling smoky. If there's an issue with staffing and inpatients being exercised, it needs to be raised with management - clients shouldn't have to choose between their pets not going out or going out and being exposed to smoke, and I'm shocked that this is the inferred standard of care. Animals can't tell you whether they are not bothered by the smell or not, or whether it's affecting their recovery from the illness they are hospitalised for.

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hobbits — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:18:32 GMT

[quote user="Maisy"]

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this was kind of what I was trying to get at. Can we not hold discussions and debates in an adult and professional manner?

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Maisy — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:15:48 GMT

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Gillian Mostyn — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:15:13 GMT

[quote user="Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA"] you may be a vet and think you are all high and mighty in your field[/quote]

Your issues, not mine. Grow up.

The thread is about what annoys people about their colleagues - and smoking during work time is mine. I think you have deviated from the thread somewhat.

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hobbits — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 09:07:41 GMT

I have no problem with people who smoke. I dont think the majority of people here do either. From how I was reading it before it degenerated into a playground spat was while people had no problem with what you do on your own time, they did when it impacts on the rest of the team who do not have the same need/urge to have those breaks regularly. At that point the conversation had turned general and I dont feel anyone had said you personally do those things or have a negative impact on YOUR team, but that in their experience other smokers have had. I have had it in a previous job where the head nurse couldnt be found often as she was out smoking. This isnt necessarily a problem with smoking - but the way it was managed on work time. It would have been as much of a problem if someone was hiding to go on facebook or chat to their mates, or eat, or anything un work related.

The only bit I believe was more personally aimed at you was people saying they didnt agree with smoking while walking dogs and that you felt that smokers were more diligent ward nurses. Personally I dont think we should be doing ANYTHING but walking a patient when doing so, but if it is a choice between a smoker doing it then or walking a dog then going out again afterwards on a busy day when short staffed - well, needs must I suppose. The bit I do take offence to is your implication that nurses who dont smoke provide a lesser standard of care to their inpatients - especially the reasons given - Ive never not done ANYTHING work or not, on the basis my hair might get wet LOL anyone who knows me would fall off their seat if someone said I wouldnt do anything in case of getting dirty or wet!!!

If you have had experiences like this with non smokers then fine - but it is more likely that is due to the type of person they are/nurse they are than the fact that they dont smoke...but please dont generalise. You have taken a huge amount of offence at the generalisations you feel have been made to smokers, so I think to turn around and generalise this is a little contradictory.

As an aside - an addiction is to some degree a choice. Smokers have (and drug users and food addicts etc) a wide support network, not least from the NHS, to give up. It wouldnt be easy or necessarily quick but it is a choice not to use those services. Its a personal choice and not one Im suggesting you make either way - that is entirely your decision and a personal one - but to say its not a choice in any way is inaccurate. And no I dont smoke but have had a previous disorder with an addictive element. And yes I did stop. personal choice.

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 05:40:09 GMT

Do you know what CAro, I have had enough really, and thats the only reason i am commenting on this thread....I really cannot be bothered or arsed with people who sit on the outside and look down on anyone whether that be me the smoker, the black person, the fat person etc etc... And the only reason I ever made a comparisson was purely to let these narrow minded people see that you slag off one addiction, one minority one fat person one smelly person..... one junkie then really you are just a bloody racist pure and simple, it should not matter what my addiction is or habit or what I may or may not look like..... no one has the right to come on an open forum and slag them off... period, I am actually pretty disgusted at the attitude of some of the professionals and "so called professionals"on here...... that they have the hard neck to call me unprofessional for smoking in the open air (I am not blowing it in the face of anyone.. dog/person) but they can come on here and basically ridicule and call names, slag off and get on their moral high horse, when really they should hang their head in shame at the disgusting attiude they have to someone who yes has a disgusting habit....(An addiction remember, not a bloody choice) I will be the first to admit it..., but to treat them with disgust and contempt is beyond professionalism if you ask me.Smokers are an easy target...pure and simple and these people are jumping on that bandwagon of easy targets.... shame on them all, Pretty much bullying if you ask me!

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Caro Laithwaite VN — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 02:57:42 GMT

Good news ST they (life) are not just on at smokers

Try being "chubbier" and getting insurance

Try skydiving and getting insurance yet it is not in the top 20 dangerous sports

Try having a joke and see how soon you get slapped down for not being pc

Try saying you are from Rhodesia and see how many people assume you are racist

Try walking without shoes despite being perfectly dressed and see how many people stare. Do the same with piercings all over, ripped cloths and stinking bet noone looks

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 02:38:52 GMT

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[quote user="Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA"]

Ok so now I am not only smelly, wrinkly but unprofessional..... and should not be handling animals because I smell..... hmmm wonder if you would get away with that statement against someone with bad body odour? That wouldn't be professional now would it? I will know where to come for my next character assasination.... you people are something else you really are

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What the hell is with you comparing people with heath conditions with a choice you have made?? It's not the same!! you choose to smoke, you choose not to get help from the NHS with trying to quit. It can be done, millions of people do it every day and YOU have to want to do it. But if you don't you shouldn't take other's rights to clean air and cancer free lives just so you can have a short lived high until the next one. Someone with a clinical body odour problem may or may not be able to help it or afford the treatment for it or are still waiting for a call back from their referral with the NHS. They may not even know they have a problem. OR they may not wash and just don't care which YES is unprofessional...

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and clearly we are off our meds again yes?! its about the only time you contribute and its usually to kick off..... so I ask... what the hell is with you?

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 02:33:47 GMT

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]Sandra - I wasn't talking down to you....but I will have to do so now as you seem you be struggling with understanding my last post to you:[/quote] no not struggling at all actually.... but you clearly were when I said dont talk down to me!!! you may be a vet and think you are all high and mighty in your field, but you dont and wont ever speak down to me, certainly not in you elitist attitude to someone with an addiction.

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]I'm able to slag off anyone I choose[/quote] Really???? please try it on here with a fat smelly person! lets see how far you get on that score!

[quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]f you're meaning the wrinkly comment - it is a medical fact that smokers develop wrinkly skin. Whether yours has develioped the appearance of a crumpled bag I don't know - but give it time......[/quote]

and there you go again... with your veiled snide comments.... do you actually think you are fooling me with that crap? why are you actually still on here? personally I am 41 yrs old and i reckon I am looking good for m,y age..and its nothing to do with smoking or not... good genes you see. Whta age are you exactly, we must compare![quote user="Gillian Mostyn"]It was you that said the dogs get walked more often when a smoker is responsible for them[/quote] Yes I did, but I was referring to the fact that a smoker will take them out more often.... lets face it what ward nurse takes them out often enough every single day when you are very busy???? A smoker will make that time, rather than have that 5 min chat to a collegue, or run that blood right there and then...even though its not needed right there and then...., or waste time twidling their thumbs trying to look busy, because they dont want to walk the inpatient in the hailr rain or snow.....thats what I am saying.... so all the peeps who dont want a smoker looking after or smoking while walking their dog....it's better than then crossing their legs because some lazy arsed nurse does not want to get her hair wet!!!!

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Sandra Taylor RVN, MBVNA — Sat, 06 Nov 2010 02:20:05 GMT

[quote user="StephB"]I really don't think it's fair for you to compare smoking a cigarette whilst walking in patients to a fat person eating food[/quote] why not? I work with an over eater.... and you know what i just thought she was a lazy fat so and so, who stuffed her face for the hell of it... much like you non smokers think I smoke for the hell of it! but on talking to her, she was actually addicted to food, in the same way i am addicted to cigarettes, so you are talking bollocks! [quote user="StephB"]Smokers choose to pollute their lungs[/quote]

[quote user="StephB"]Smokers choose to pollute their lungs[/quote] again spoken as a n elitist non smoker.... you know what , dont talk about what you dont know about, cause you just look like a tit to people who do know what it is like!

[quote user="StephB"]cigarettes are a drug,[/quote] see now this is where you contradict yourself....one minute it is a choice.... next its a drug.... make up your mind please![quote user="StephB"]

Would you find it acceptable to drink a pint or can of beer whilst walking a dog??

I do believe that's a far better comparison. I dont because then i would be drunk or on the way there and not in control!!! i smoke a cigarette... I am pretty sane and sensible actuially....... now go away you silly little girl!

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Vicky RVN — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:39:36 GMT

[quote user="StephB"]

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I didn't miss the point because this conversation wasn't only about walking a dog and smoking...it has become about passive smoking in general. And it was being implied that alcoholics and drug addicts don't effect people in a physical way. They do.

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So you did miss the point. This thread is about what drives us mad about nurses, one said thing was nurses smoking on the property or even whilst working. the debate wasn't about just passive smoking but how it effects clients and pets in our care as well as why it's unprofessional in the work place and something that drives one mad about nurses or vets in the practice. this thread was not about passive smoking in general, if that's the debate you want please feel free to start a new thread! i'm sure it will be a hit!

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I am fed up of you telling me i have 'missed the point'. I know i have not thank you very much. And no i am NOT going to start a thread about passive smoking because i do not want a debate. The thread had simply deviated from the original theme. I am not stupid please do not talk to me like i am.

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Anneke Kuipers — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 09:14:19 GMT

[quote user="StephB"]

Personally i don't think anyone in uniform should be allowed to smoke, drink or do drugs on the property or in uniform. It's unprofessional, cigarettes are a drug, they get you high which is why they are addictive. end of. I think you will find it's against most company policies not to do drugs whilst working for the company. I think it's kind of most companies to allow their workers to still smoke in their break periods much less during their work time... Would you find it acceptable to drink a pint or can of beer whilst walking a dog??

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Caffeine is addictive too... which I'm sure everyone knows can be found in tea, coffee and some fizzy drinks... Just saying...

And how about all those cars and their airpolution?! I don't drive so they are affecting my health.

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Anonymous — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 22:18:46 GMT

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Kim Buckley — Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:17:39 GMT

Sorry to bring this up again but just wanted to say something:

I don't care if someone chooses to smoke and what they do in their own time is up to them.

What I find unacceptable and unprofessional is smoking whilst taking inpatients out for the loo and I have never worked anywhere that would stand for that.